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MannyScoot

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Left Kanthal ribbon .30 Ohms.... Right Kanthal .50 Ohms

These are to run on a Pwm mod... They are 5mm circumference
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KingPin!

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Left Kanthal ribbon .30 Ohms.... Right Kanthal .50 Ohms

These are to run on a Pwm mod... They are 5mm circumference
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Some of the most flavourful coils I've tried have been from helixes...take an age to ramp up but once they get going they are awesome
 

MannyScoot

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Some of the most flavourful coils I've tried have been from helixes...take an age to ramp up but once they get going they are awesome
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These Kanthal coils need power, but if you have a Pwm or something to hit them above 7 to 8 volts they ramp up quickly.... The taste is out of this world..... The guy that makes them is Brian and you can get easily (6) months or more out of a pair of coils..... They last forever !!!!!!!!.... I got them here.....
Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/322450242728

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KingPin!

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These Kanthal coils need power, but if you have a Pwm or something to hit them above 7 to 8 volts they ramp up quickly.... The taste is out of this world..... The guy that makes them is Brian and you can get easily (6) months or more out of a pair of coils..... They last forever !!!!!!!!.... I got them here.....
Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/322450242728

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Sweet mate but I like to make my own :) these are still going strong in my merlin!

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Carambrda

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These Kanthal coils need power, but if you have a Pwm or something to hit them above 7 to 8 volts they ramp up quickly.... The taste is out of this world..... The guy that makes them is Brian and you can get easily (6) months or more out of a pair of coils..... They last forever !!!!!!!!.... I got them here.....
Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/322450242728

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Here's the video tutorial,


...and here's mimi on Instagram. https://www.instagram.com/wiretheory/
 

Jriley

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Yaaaa 8ply .3 ribbon ... That .3 is no joke was going to be the end of me.
I had to use 38g i have been out of 40G and i think thats some of my problem that 38 is a little to stiff for this smaller ribbon well kanthal, 38G SS doesnt act like 38G kanthal the ss seems a lot more workable
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Johnny VapeStand

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So, I was making some 3x28/38 aliens, After the decore, they just wouldn't "alien" correctly, and the decore just felt off for some reason. Turns out, I had accidentally used 40g instead of 38. If I knew it was 40g, I would have adjusted my stretch, grip, etc. So, I decided to make a couple of quad core aliens from it. I overstretched the core a bit, but still not too bad.

4x30K/40N

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Dustyjeans

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Lol Sorry if this is out of place among all these crazy builds but this is my first build ever..
These look really clean and tight. If I were you I be really proud because it is YOUR BUILD! Whatcha going to try next? A 26/36 fused clapton mabey? Your gonna be hooked once you experience that!

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Dustyjeans

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Left Kanthal ribbon .30 Ohms.... Right Kanthal .50 Ohms

These are to run on a Pwm mod... They are 5mm circumference
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Vape mail? Anyhoo these really shine if you want a good warm vape. They take alot of power to ramp and hold alot of heat but are really great with the sweet juices cause they dont clog up and keep on venting.

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BKTOAD

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Took a stab at a framed alien.

Pretty green at working with 40g. Seems a light breeze is enough to affect the decore of such fine wire. No room for error at all. A hair too tight or too loose while alien wrapping seems to be my challenge with the 40g.

Think I got it down, next run should be more effective.


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Jriley

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Took a stab at a framed alien.

Pretty green at working with 40g. Seems a light breeze is enough to affect the decore of such fine wire. No room for error at all. A hair too tight or too loose while alien wrapping seems to be my challenge with the 40g.

Think I got it down, next run should be more effective.


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Nice toad! What decore you use? I was thinking 24g for 4x .4 with 28g frames
 

gakudzu

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So, I was making some 3x28/38 aliens, After the decore, they just wouldn't "alien" correctly, and the decore just felt off for some reason. Turns out, I had accidentally used 40g instead of 38. If I knew it was 40g, I would have adjusted my stretch, grip, etc. So, I decided to make a couple of quad core aliens from it. I overstretched the core a bit, but still not too bad.

4x30K/40N

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You fuck up better than I build LMAO :cheers:
 

SignMan

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Took a stab at a framed alien.

Pretty green at working with 40g. Seems a light breeze is enough to affect the decore of such fine wire. No room for error at all. A hair too tight or too loose while alien wrapping seems to be my challenge with the 40g.

Think I got it down, next run should be more effective.


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Dude that's nice I would be super proud of those! I have that same problem with 40g aliens. The decore is so fragile and finicky and I hate it. I figured there wouldn't be much difference in 38 and 40 but I was wrong. You did a freaking amazing job on those man
 

whiteowl84

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All you gotta do with 40g is not use any tension... Same for any 40g fuse. Get the stretch so it's as wide as your build and just guide it on there. Any extra tension at this point will mess it up.

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BKTOAD

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Dude that's nice I would be super proud of those! I have that same problem with 40g aliens. The decore is so fragile and finicky and I hate it. I figured there wouldn't be much difference in 38 and 40 but I was wrong. You did a freaking amazing job on those man

Thanks man!

However, a picture can show what you wanna show and omit what you don't.

On the right track to make an amazing set, but this wasn't it. Yet.
 

BKTOAD

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All you gotta do with 40g is not use any tension... Same for any 40g fuse. Get the stretch so it's as wide as your build and just guide it on there. Any extra tension at this point will mess it up.

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Cool thanks. And thanks for the "float" directions you posted a few pages back. Took a little tinkering and trial to get it right, but have not collapsed cores since I started floating the ribbon.

Just out of curiousity, how long does it take you to knock out a pair of SSFC? Serious prep time for me. Started a set over an hour ago and got it 1/3 of the way fused, but ran out of drill battery. Wondering how long it takes someone who has more experience with them.
 

whiteowl84

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Cool thanks. And thanks for the "float" directions you posted a few pages back. Took a little tinkering and trial to get it right, but have not collapsed cores since I started floating the ribbon.

Just out of curiousity, how long does it take you to knock out a pair of SSFC? Serious prep time for me. Started a set over an hour ago and got it 1/3 of the way fused, but ran out of drill battery. Wondering how long it takes someone who has more experience with them.

About an hour start to finish with 40g. I haven't made any since these.
I do my round wire spacing at almost full speed (about 1500 to 2000rpm). The fuse starts on a twist and ends on a twist so when I cut the spool wire off everything stays in place. Then I glue 1/2" on both ends and 1" in the middle.
Cut everything down and bring your frames side by side without flipping either piece.
Sit your stack between the frames and with everything laying on the table nice and parallel/flat just glue the stack in on both ends. Bind the very last bit of both frames together, hook the swivel with one end and put the other in the drill. If your spacing is good you can just keep the spool at your desired angle and fuse pretty fast...if it's not you'll have to weave that shit.
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Some of my builds like this had shitty spacing so I'll measure it out make hybrids. When the weave angle gets to be too much you can skip fuse or go from skip fusing to full fuse to help your angle.
 

Dustyjeans

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Ok im not exactly thrilled with this other then its my first staggered staple ive done. This is 4ply .5 KA1 - 28G SS frames 38G SS stagger and all fused together with 40g SS.
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Turned out pretty good! It was smart staggering 38 for 40g wrap. It leaves you a little wiggle room but still tight enough that i wouldnt have noticed if you didnt mention it.

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Dustyjeans

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Took a stab at a framed alien.

Pretty green at working with 40g. Seems a light breeze is enough to affect the decore of such fine wire. No room for error at all. A hair too tight or too loose while alien wrapping seems to be my challenge with the 40g.

Think I got it down, next run should be more effective.


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The alien looks good but its actually spaced enough that you could frame it and turn it into an alien stag. Is that the goal or did you just lead it a little too much?

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Dustyjeans

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About an hour start to finish with 40g. I haven't made any since these.
I do my round wire spacing at almost full speed (about 1500 to 2000rpm). The fuse starts on a twist and ends on a twist so when I cut the spool wire off everything stays in place. Then I glue 1/2" on both ends and 1" in the middle.
Cut everything down and bring your frames side by side without flipping either piece.
Sit your stack between the frames and with everything laying on the table nice and parallel/flat just glue the stack in on both ends. Bind the very last bit of both frames together, hook the swivel with one end and put the other in the drill. If your spacing is good you can just keep the spool at your desired angle and fuse pretty fast...if it's not you'll have to weave that shit.
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Some of my builds like this had shitty spacing so I'll measure it out make hybrids. When the weave angle gets to be too much you can skip fuse or go from skip fusing to full fuse to help your angle.
Thats a good idea never thought of switching the plan when the skip gets outa wack. Lemons into hybrid lemonade!

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Cormic

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IMG_0035.JPG IMG_0038.JPG Ok this my first successful alien. (4th attempt).
The picture I took before working out the hit spots is blurry as shit for some reason so all you get is this.
And it's crap also. You will have to just trust me it came out nice :) And it's 3x28SS / 36KA1. Ohms at .25.
 

Dustyjeans

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Cool thanks. And thanks for the "float" directions you posted a few pages back. Took a little tinkering and trial to get it right, but have not collapsed cores since I started floating the ribbon.

Just out of curiousity, how long does it take you to knock out a pair of SSFC? Serious prep time for me. Started a set over an hour ago and got it 1/3 of the way fused, but ran out of drill battery. Wondering how long it takes someone who has more experience with them.
Ive done 6 sets of ssfc so and have it down to just under 1/2 hour now. Using weighted loop and corded drill for the frames at 2500. I switch to the cordless at mid speed around 800-1000 for the final wrap. I havent done them with anything lighter than 38g tho. And yes I still keep my cores under tension. Guess Im just a retard but its working good for me.
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Its been months since ive made a set of these but i think its time to revisit this classic. Think ill go lite next time like 28/6p.3/42

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Jriley

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Wish i had a mech device so i could actually use some of this shit i build. Battlestar wouldnt even glow these for me just said "shorted" had to use old sigelei. 28G SS frames / 6x .3 KA1 ribbon / 40G SS alien 24G decore .1 ohm :(
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BKTOAD

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Wish i had a mech device so i could actually use some of this shit i build. Battlestar wouldnt even glow these for me just said "shorted" had to use old sigelei. 28G SS frames / 6x .3 KA1 ribbon / 40G SS alien 24G decore .1 ohm :(
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Hohmwrecker would fire it, no problem.

Nice build!
 

Jriley

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Ya i want one of those, my problem with most these builds still is the power thats needed just make the whole atomizer hot .. I dunno
 

Dustyjeans

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Wish i had a mech device so i could actually use some of this shit i build. Battlestar wouldnt even glow these for me just said "shorted" had to use old sigelei. 28G SS frames / 6x .3 KA1 ribbon / 40G SS alien 24G decore .1 ohm :(
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Cool man! If you have a build thats borderline try burning in 1 coil in at a time. Once they oxidize the resistance goes up slightly. Or get a G class! I hear they fire really low like .05!

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Jriley

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Well i have a triade dna250 and it did fire everything but the fire button broke.
 

MWorthington

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Cool man! If you have a build thats borderline try burning in 1 coil in at a time. Once they oxidize the resistance goes up slightly. Or get a G class! I hear they fire really low like .05!

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The G2 is supposed to fire down to .007 but all I get on this "install" of some coils I got as a freebie when I bought some aliens is "atomizer short" on my G2.

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whiteowl84

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If the G2 says short it's a problem with the atty/install. I've had it happen. Everything else would fire it but the G2. Hooked it up through Escribe through one of my broken DNA mods and sure enough the resistance was bouncing everywhere. Dead ass atty.

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MWorthington

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If the G2 says short it's a problem with the atty/install. I've had it happen. Everything else would fire it but the G2. Hooked it up through Escribe through one of my broken DNA mods and sure enough the resistance was bouncing everywhere. Dead ass atty.

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This set measured 0.00 on the tab mini and showed a short on the G2. I had the same pair of coils in my rda and they showed the same 0 reading on the tab mini as well. It's possible these were built purely for show. I really don't know anything about 'em except I checked after installing the first coil and it ohmed out at .09 on the USA meter. I'll pull one of 'em out and see what it reads on the G2.

And I was wrong about the G2 as well. It said "connect atomizer" instead of short. At any rate it won't fire the coils. I've got some more to put in here. I just wanted to try these but I may have to get a single coil atty to use 'em in.
 

raymo2u

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Hohmwrecker would fire it, no problem.

Nice build!
Buy an Hohm Wrecker G2...fires down to .007 and its wattage is in RMS so its realistic and incredibly accurate. Its higher in efficiency then the DNA chips so battery life is longer at the same wattages. Its built like a Tank and will last you years instead of months.

The G2 is supposed to fire down to .007 but all I get on this "install" of some coils I got as a freebie when I bought some aliens is "atomizer short" on my G2.

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Take a Qtip and clean out the 510 on your G2, if you use a very protruding pin and screw it down all the way sometimes the pin stays down and causes this issue....just a quick push and its fixed. If your still having issues then make sure everything is tightened down on the RDA/RTA and try again.
 

Dustyjeans

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Buy an Hohm Wrecker G2...fires down to .007 and its wattage is in RMS so its realistic and incredibly accurate. Its higher in efficiency then the DNA chips so battery life is longer at the same wattages. Its built like a Tank and will last you years instead of months.


Take a Qtip and clean out the 510 on your G2, if you use a very protruding pin and screw it down all the way sometimes the pin stays down and causes this issue....just a quick push and its fixed. If your still having issues then make sure everything is tightened down on the RDA/RTA and try again.
What is RMS?

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whiteowl84

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Root mean square. Basically the mean of a sin
Yep. It means continuous power in the real world. Most mods are given a peak rating which is what it can do briefly or before exploding.
Anyone who's ever gotten into audio equipment knows that the stuff with a peak rating is full of shit. A 2000w amp with 2x 30a fuses? No way. That's the power the amp can do when you give it 0.25ohm and run it at 18v.
RMS is the only power that really matters (many amps lie about that too though).

Audio tip:
Look at an amps fuse rating. Your car's voltage is usually around 12v and most modern amps are about 85% efficient so multiply the fuse's amperage by 11v and you'll have a rough idea of what is actually possible from that amp. That doesn't mean adding a 200a fuse to a 300w amp will make it more powerful... Sorry.

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raymo2u

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Yep. It means continuous power in the real world. Most mods are given a peak rating which is what it can do briefly or before exploding.
Anyone who's ever gotten into audio equipment knows that the stuff with a peak rating is full of shit. A 2000w amp with 2x 30a fuses? No way. That's the power the amp can do when you give it 0.25ohm and run it at 18v.
RMS is the only power that really matters (many amps lie about that too though).

Audio tip:
Look at an amps fuse rating. Your car's voltage is usually around 12v and most modern amps are about 85% efficient so multiply the fuse's amperage by 11v and you'll have a rough idea of what is actually possible from that amp. That doesn't mean adding a 200a fuse to a 300w amp will make it more powerful... Sorry.

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But....my Pioneer 12" said it could do 3000w, your saying they lied!?!?!?
:tantrum::gaah:

Just kidding, Im a Sundown Fan :inlove:
 

Dustyjeans

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Yep. It means continuous power in the real world. Most mods are given a peak rating which is what it can do briefly or before exploding.
Anyone who's ever gotten into audio equipment knows that the stuff with a peak rating is full of shit. A 2000w amp with 2x 30a fuses? No way. That's the power the amp can do when you give it 0.25ohm and run it at 18v.
RMS is the only power that really matters (many amps lie about that too though).

Audio tip:
Look at an amps fuse rating. Your car's voltage is usually around 12v and most modern amps are about 85% efficient so multiply the fuse's amperage by 11v and you'll have a rough idea of what is actually possible from that amp. That doesn't mean adding a 200a fuse to a 300w amp will make it more powerful... Sorry.

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Duh thanks! I thought i remembered that abbreviation from somewhere but given the context of this forum i wasnt even thinking about audio! Lol

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