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HondaDavidson

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Vinson headed for North Korea
Truman in Gulf off Iran

Eisenhower left port April 3 2017,
Nimitz left Port April 5 2017
Bush is currently deploying from Japan

Lincoln, Roosevelt, & Stennis in predeployment workup right now
Sounds fairly typical for April too me........

3 to 4 groups at sea... 3 to 4 In port...... been like that since end of WW2.

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Stennis has already left port & is stationed off west coast. There is definite prudent increase in carrier activity.
 

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It will be a week or more before all are on station. 3 carrier groups and 3 Amphibious ready groups is nothing to sneeze at. Bold move with China & Russia having heavily vested interest.

Stennis off west coast to catch anything coming close to us shore is definitely prudent backup. Readying other carriers to sail for their protection is a no brainer
 
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So Trump has the time and the money to practice gunboat diplomacy shoot off 60 missles, drop the mother of all bomba in Afghanistan, send carriers to NK....but he doesn't have time to arrest or charge Mayor of Sanctuary cities here in the US...he doesn't have the time or the money to rescind the Obama executive order about DACA that allows all these illegal alien "childeren" with beards into the US....he doesn't have time to institute E-Verify on US goverment contracts......bullshit.the bitch has flipped.
 

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I don't know who wrote that shite, but at the campus of berkeley when Milo came to talk there were no alt-right goons, at the University of Davis where Milo was shut down with threats of violence there was no neo nazis..at the Trump rally in San Jose there were no right wing neo nazis..all this violence is coming from the left ..all of it.There have been dozens of hoax accusations about white Trump supporters committing hate crimes all of them were hoaxes committed by BLM members muslims, and SJWs...meanwhile there are endless loops of video showing violence committed against people who went to attend a Trump rally...national review is a neo-con rag. it is not the national review of Bill Buckley.For Christsakes project Veritas and James O'keffe actually have footage of high ranking Democrat staffers admitting paying people to committ violence....This writer also completely ignored the fact in all three riots in Berkeley the Berkeley Police department were told to stand down....He ignored the fact that the Mayor of San Jose blamed Trump's supporters for the gangs of thugs who attacked them and not on the scum who committed the violence.
 

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I don't know who wrote that shite, but at the campus of berkeley when Milo came to talk there were no alt-right goons, at the University of Davis where Milo was shut down with threats of violence there was no neo nazis..at the Trump rally in San Jose there were no right wing neo nazis..all this violence is coming from the left ..all of it.There have been dozens of hoax accusations about white Trump supporters committing hate crimes all of them were hoaxes committed by BLM members muslims, and SJWs...meanwhile there are endless loops of video showing violence committed against people who went to attend a Trump rally...national review is a neo-con rag. it is not the national review of Bill Buckley.For Christsakes project Veritas and James O'keffe actually have footage of high ranking Democrat staffers admitting paying people to committ violence....This writer also completely ignored the fact in all three riots in Berkeley the Berkeley Police department were told to stand down....He ignored the fact that the Mayor of San Jose blamed Trump's supporters for the gangs of thugs who attacked them and not on the scum who committed the violence.

Did you read the same article I did?
From over here the article looked unbiased as it laid blame for the violence on Antifa.

Note that the following from the article is credited to Mother Jones
which everybody knows is a leftist rag and has beenfrom it's beginning.
By the end of the fighting, Mother Jones reporter Shane Bauer said, “Militias, alt-right, nazis etc. won today in Berkeley. They outnumbered the opposition, pushed it back, and held downtown.”

The article does mention "alt right goons" and you and I have had this disagreement before. You think
those alt right goons don't exist..But I know some of those alt right goons.
The bottom line for me is that I think the decent people were home minding their own business during that fight.
The people fighting in the streets of Berkeley whether on the left or right knew they were going to fight.
Fighting in the streets will only accomplish martial law.

The point of the article is that there is fighting in the streets, it is being provoked by Antifa (but reacted to violently by some on the right..or it wouldn't be a fight..) the cops are standing down, and it will continue.

Now, whether NR is a neocon rag or just a conservative one I'm not here to judge,
but that article's author, the guy who wrote "that shiite" is:

http://www.nationalreview.com/author/david-french

David French is a staff writer for National Review, a senior fellow at the National Review Institute, an attorney (concentrating his practice in constitutional law and the law of armed conflict), and a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. He is the author or co-author of several books including, most recently, the No. 1 New York Times bestselling Rise of ISIS: A Threat We Can’t Ignore. He is a graduate of Harvard Law School, the past president of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), and a former lecturer at Cornell Law School. He has served as a senior counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice and the Alliance Defending Freedom. David is a former major in the United States Army Reserve (IRR). In 2007, he deployed to Iraq, serving in Diyala Province as Squadron Judge Advocate for the 2nd Squadron, 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, where he was awarded the Bronze Star. He lives and works in Columbia, Tennessee, with his wife, Nancy (who is also a New York Times bestselling author), and three children.

... I respect his educated opinion.
 
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Did you read the same article I did?
From over here the article looked unbiased as it laid blame for the violence on Antifa.

Note that the following from the article is credited to Mother Jones
which everybody knows is a leftist rag and has beenfrom it's beginning.
By the end of the fighting, Mother Jones reporter Shane Bauer said, “Militias, alt-right, nazis etc. won today in Berkeley. They outnumbered the opposition, pushed it back, and held downtown.”

The article does mention "alt right goons" and you and I have had this disagreement before. You think
those alt right goons don't exist..But I know some of those alt right goons.
The bottom line for me is that I think the decent people were home minding their own business during that fight.
The people fighting in the streets of Berkeley whether on the left or right new they were going to fight.
Fighting in the streets will only accomplish martial law.

The point of the article is that there is fighting in the streets, it is being provoked by Antifa (but reacted to violently by some on the right..or it wouldn't be a fight..) the cops are standing down, and it will continue.

Now, whether NR is a neocon rag or just a conservative one I'm not here to judge,
but that article's author, the guy who wrote "that shiite" is:

http://www.nationalreview.com/author/david-french

David French is a staff writer for National Review, a senior fellow at the National Review Institute, an attorney (concentrating his practice in constitutional law and the law of armed conflict), and a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. He is the author or co-author of several books including, most recently, the No. 1 New York Times bestselling Rise of ISIS: A Threat We Can’t Ignore. He is a graduate of Harvard Law School, the past president of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), and a former lecturer at Cornell Law School. He has served as a senior counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice and the Alliance Defending Freedom. David is a former major in the United States Army Reserve (IRR). In 2007, he deployed to Iraq, serving in Diyala Province as Squadron Judge Advocate for the 2nd Squadron, 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, where he was awarded the Bronze Star. He lives and works in Columbia, Tennessee, with his wife, Nancy (who is also a New York Times bestselling author), and three children.

... I respect his educated opinion.
I live in Oakland I know what Berkeley is like I lived in Berkeley I know how they view anyone who is an inch right of Lenin..I also know my own community and the surrounding communties which I have lived in for 35 years.....there are NO militias here..period. hell we don't even have too many republicans...I'm sure in Tennessee it's different but this writer doesn't know the Bay Area for shit. I have seen the black block in SF attack a group of senior citizens who were doing nothing more than holding up signs supporting Isreal...I've seen the Socialist attack people in San Jose who were doing nothing more than holding up signs demanding border security..In the Bay area you do NOT put a Trump sticker or any other republican sticker on your car ..if you do your windshield will be broken.these people were not out looking for a fight they were not goons they were not nazis , they were not alt-right..they were political dissenters that was their only crime..they dissented....at what point do you say enough...at what point when you are beaten for attending a political rally. when you are attacked for going to hear someone give a speech, when your job is threatened for expressing your political views..at what point do you say enough"I will not be silenced any longer, this is America I have a right to think for myself without being beaten, I have a right to speak without fear of violence" labeling political dissent as goons, or nazis , or alt-right is a lie a lie to justify violence. You discount the idea that these were simply your average person standing up and saying I will not allow you to silence me any longer.just as there were tons of average blacks in the south in the 1960s that were beaten for the crime of saying I will not be silenced any longer.you discount the idea that there are a ton of average citizens who are outraged that the DNC has legitamized violence as a political tool in America as if it were a third world country...just because someone rides a motorcycle or has a tatto it doesn't make them stupid, violent or a memeber of the Aryan Brotherhood.
and even if...even if there were alt right, or nazis, or Malitia so what..In the Bay area we MECHA a group that has advocated taking back the southwest from the US by force if necessary, we have The Nation of Islam whch is one of the most violent cracpot group of violent lunatics around busting up liquor stores and their leaders caught with underage girls,and preaching racisim....nobody ion the Bay Aera bothers them, they are tolerated we have reviltionary Maoists, Stalinists, Antifa, nobody is bothering them.....so how come it is justifiable to use violence against the so called alt-right. I don't know what tennesse is like I'll let the people from tennesse speak on that, but in the bay area even my nieghbor who was a young man in the 60s at the UNiversity at Berkeley and was in the free speech movment himself has enough brains and integrity to realize what liberals have done to free speech in Berkeley.and he is mad about it.

I have belonged to political action groups labeled nazis and facist by these people, and they were made up of nurses, and teachers, carpenter, retired people, ex military,vegan animal rights accountants,these people were not goons they were not nazis...The writer of this article mouths the lies of the fake news...that a group of antifa and a group of neo nazis had a clash...the truth is closer that a group of peaceful citizens are tired of being threatned with violence for exercising their consitutional rights.They want to enthusiaticlly take part in the political arena without fear of being beaten.Just look at the posters each of the two groups posted..the Antifa posters talked about punching nazis...the people defending free speech asked people not to be agressively confrontational and to bring something good to eat to share with everybody.....hardly sounds like nazi goons to me unless the nazis were passing out brownies at their rallies and I never heard about it.
 
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how convenient....I'm sure Apple Corporation is pleased to hear this...I'd say impeach the bastard today,but then we'd get Pence.
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Did you read the same article I did?
From over here the article looked unbiased as it laid blame for the violence on Antifa.

Note that the following from the article is credited to Mother Jones
which everybody knows is a leftist rag and has beenfrom it's beginning.
By the end of the fighting, Mother Jones reporter Shane Bauer said, “Militias, alt-right, nazis etc. won today in Berkeley. They outnumbered the opposition, pushed it back, and held downtown.”

The article does mention "alt right goons" and you and I have had this disagreement before. You think
those alt right goons don't exist..But I know some of those alt right goons.
The bottom line for me is that I think the decent people were home minding their own business during that fight.
The people fighting in the streets of Berkeley whether on the left or right knew they were going to fight.
Fighting in the streets will only accomplish martial law.

The point of the article is that there is fighting in the streets, it is being provoked by Antifa (but reacted to violently by some on the right..or it wouldn't be a fight..) the cops are standing down, and it will continue.

Now, whether NR is a neocon rag or just a conservative one I'm not here to judge,
but that article's author, the guy who wrote "that shiite" is:

http://www.nationalreview.com/author/david-french

David French is a staff writer for National Review, a senior fellow at the National Review Institute, an attorney (concentrating his practice in constitutional law and the law of armed conflict), and a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. He is the author or co-author of several books including, most recently, the No. 1 New York Times bestselling Rise of ISIS: A Threat We Can’t Ignore. He is a graduate of Harvard Law School, the past president of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), and a former lecturer at Cornell Law School. He has served as a senior counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice and the Alliance Defending Freedom. David is a former major in the United States Army Reserve (IRR). In 2007, he deployed to Iraq, serving in Diyala Province as Squadron Judge Advocate for the 2nd Squadron, 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, where he was awarded the Bronze Star. He lives and works in Columbia, Tennessee, with his wife, Nancy (who is also a New York Times bestselling author), and three children.

... I respect his educated opinion.
The battle of Berkeley was fought by Patriots sick & tired of militant dipshits beating the crap out of Trump supporters, seeking to silence free speech, and vandalizing America unchecked without repercussions for their actions. They recognize if this behavior goes unchecked it will fester & grow. Their actions let them know that America is sick of their bullshit.

Were some of these guys itching for a fight - hell yeah! Did they start it? NO! They assembled peacefully. They allowed themselves to be disarmed by Police. If the other side behaved peacefully, nothing would have happened. They did not start the fight. They maintained a defensive line to protect Rally participant & were repeatedly threatened & attacked. When they were threatened, they defended themselves & when it got real, they carried the day.

They didn't start the fight, but they damn well finished it.

I'm only sorry they did not have cases of Duct tape to strap these idiots to every street sign & light pole in Berkeley!
 
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The battle of Berkeley was fought by Patriots sick & tired of militant dipshits beating the crap out of Trump supporters, seeking to silence free speech, and vandalizing America unchecked without repercussions for their actions. They recognize if this behavior goes unchecked it will fester & grow. Their actions let them know that America is sick of their bullshit.

Were some of these guys itching for a fight - hell yeah! Did they start it? NO! They assembled peacefully. They allowed themselves to be disarmed by Police. If the other side behaved peacefully, nothing would have happened. They did not start the fight. They maintained a defensive line to protect Rally participant & were repeatedly threatened & attacked. When they were threatened, they defended themselves & when it got real, they carried the day.

They didn't start the fight, but they damn well finished it.

I'm only sorry they did not have cases of Duct tape to strap these idiots to every street sign & light pole in Berkeley!
Sadly, this shit is going to continue to escalate. I think there is going to be a breaking point this year or next year where the leftist/socialists are going to go too far and the rest of the population which has been quiet will be forced to react in defense of their communities, homes, and property.
 

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Sadly, this shit is going to continue to escalate. I think there is going to be a breaking point this year or next year where the leftist/socialists are going to go too far and the rest of the population which has been quiet will be forced to react in defense of their communities, homes, and property.
or until leftist politicians are charged with violating people's civil rights by having the police stand down.....we must demand the laws be enforced, if not our laws are nothing more than grafitti
 

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Sadly, this shit is going to continue to escalate. I think there is going to be a breaking point this year or next year where the leftist/socialists are going to go too far and the rest of the population which has been quiet will be forced to react in defense of their communities, homes, and property.
It will happen sooner than that. Deep State will kiss Trumps ass while they think they have a chance to lead him to war, but if he can avoid it & possibly even if he can't, they will push violence in the streets and a huge march on Washington to try & remove him. The only chance he has is to take them down first & doesn't look like that's gonna happen.

There is a part of me that thinks the Deep State & the Left put Trump in the office because he was such an asshole & they needed a fall guy because they knew the economy would crash because they did nothing but fleece the coffers of government for decades. They needed a fall guy to be hung by Americans in the street for starting WW3 & crashing the economy. I'm willing to bet that even if no one voted for him, he still would have won for that very reason.
 
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It will happen sooner than that. Deep State will kiss Trumps ass while they think they have a chance to lead him to war, but if he can avoid it & possibly even if he can't, they will push violence in the streets and a huge march on Washington to try & remove him. The only chance he has is to take them down first & doesn't look like that's gonna happen.

There is a part of me that thinks the Deep State & the Left put Trump in the office because he was such an asshole & they needed a fall guy because they knew the economy would crash because they did nothing but fleece the coffers of government for decades. They needed a fall guy to be hung by Americans in the street for starting WW3 & crashing the economy. I'm willing to bet that even if no one voted for him, he still would have won for that very reason.
as far as I can tell, the basic bones of the globalists plan are being protected by Trump, and he is just starting forgien wars to pull people's attention away from the fact he is doing exactlly the opposite of what he ran on. like this.

http://www.wnd.com/2017/04/border-agents-upset-by-trump-pick-of-obama-holdover/
 

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or until leftist politicians are charged with violating people's civil rights by having the police stand down.....we must demand the laws be enforced, if not our laws are nothing more than grafitti
Could we start with the Sherman and Clayton acts against the health care cartel?
 

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Could we start with the Sherman and Clayton acts against the health care cartel?
Does 5 his act adress more than just t he payment system....

Because so far NOBODY is talking about addressing the COSTS of healthcare.. they are just fighting about who pays and how....
We need regulatory reform and tort reform. As a start. We need address what makes the price so high before we address payment of the price. Insurance is about paying prices charged.....how about we fix the high prices.

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as far as I can tell, the basic bones of the globalists plan are being protected by Trump, and he is just starting forgien wars to pull people's attention away from the fact he is doing exactlly the opposite of what he ran on. like this.

I see the same, only backwards. His trade and other policies had to change after his policy on foreign intervention changed.

It's pretty clear when you put everything on a timeline. Trump was doing everything he said he was going to do and all supporters were happy. Then he bombed Syria. Within days after the bombing, he reversed several economic policies and policies that effect trade.

Our trade and economic policies are not separate from our foreign intervention policies and never have been. Trade has always been used to buy support. We run a trade deficit so that all of those "trading bloc" countries will be our friend and so they fall in line with US policy.

You can't run roughshod over countries without giving other countries a reason to support it. When Trump bombed Syria he became a globalist and his other policies had to change. You can't ask someone to help or support you in a fight while you are simultaniously taking away their trade advantages.

Prime example, Trump wants China to help with the Norks now China is not a currency manipulator.

Economy and trade are foreign policy. If the foreign policy is globalist, domestic economy and trade is globalist. These are entwined. So, I don't see the bombing as a cover for the other policy flip flops. I see the bombing as the cause of the flip flops.

"It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world": it was George Washington's Farewell Address to us. The inaugural pledge of Thomas Jefferson was no less clear: "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations-entangling alliances with none."
 
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I see the same, only backwards. His trade and other policies had to change after his policy on foreign intervention changed.

It's pretty clear when you put everything on a timeline. Trump was doing everything he said he was going to do and all supporters were happy. Then he bombed Syria. Within days after the bombing, he reversed several economic policies and policies that effect trade.

Our trade and economic policies are not separate from our foreign intervention policies and never have been. Trade has always been used to buy support. We run a trade deficit so that all of those "trading bloc" countries will be our friend and so they fall in line with US policy.

You can't run roughshod over countries without giving other countries a reason to support it. When Trump bombed Syria he became a globalist and his other policies had to change. You can't ask someone to help or support you in a fight while you are simultaniously taking away their trade advantages.

Prime example, Trump wants China to help with the Norks now China is not a currency manipulator.

Economy and trade are foreign policy. If the foreign policy is globalist, domestic economy and trade is globalist. These are entwined. So, I don't see the bombing as a cover for the other policy flip flops. I see the bombing as the cause of the flip flops.

"It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world": it was George Washington's Farewell Address to us. The inaugural pledge of Thomas Jefferson was no less clear: "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations-entangling alliances with none."
You are right... we have been ignoring Tom and George for over 200 years now...... what's your solution for getting back to that advice.

Do we through out the shoe because the ratty laces are knotted.... or do we untangle the knot and relace the shoe. Remember some of these shoes like wearing exploding vests and others are crazy fat boys with nukes.



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You are right... we have been ignoring Tom and George for over 200 years now...... what's your solution for getting back to that advice.

Do we through out the shoe because the ratty laces are knotted.... or do we untangle the knot and relace the shoe. Remember some of these shoes like wearing exploding vests and others are crazy fat boys with nukes.



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Just do it. At some point you have to quit making excuses, no?

I'm not under some false Utopian illusion that continuing to bomb the shit out of everyone is going to solve a damn thing. It certainly hasn't so far. Maybe you think after solving those two things then there will be no more problems in the world and THEN we can get rid of our unholy alliances? :rolleyes:

The more we involve ourselves, the worse things have gotten. So, I reject the premise that we can solve them at all.

I had hoped Trump would get us moving in the right direction. But, that didn't happen. He is now a globalist because he is weak.
 

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Because I would hold people responsible for their outrageous behavior and not reward them when reasonable people forced to endure that behavior react in a predictable manner by holding a third party responsible for outrageous damage claims by the plaintiff when they themselves caused the incident through their own actions.

Your right. Idiots like you and your ilk wouldn't want me as a Judge.
So your pledge to uphold the Constitution and laws would bee moot then as I suspected.
 

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:rolleyes:

You do understand it's a civil suit, right? Here is a bit of detail, inciting a riot is a criminal offense. Where is the criminal charge, considering the snowflakes and the Obama admin would have just loved to take Trump out that way?

There is none.

Now we're back to frivolous lawsuit. ;)
Because the president is exempt from criminal charges. he must be impeached first.
Civil lawsuits?
 

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Just do it. At some point you have to quit making excuses, no?

I'm not under some false Utopian illusion that continuing to bomb the shit out of everyone is going to solve a damn thing. It certainly hasn't so far. Maybe you think after solving those two things then there will be no more problems in the world and THEN we can get rid of our unholy alliances? :rolleyes:

The more we involve ourselves, the worse things have gotten. So, I reject the premise that we can solve them at all.

I had hoped Trump would get us moving in the right direction. But, that didn't happen. He is now a globalist because he is weak.
No I'm suggesting working with others to disintangle ourselves from those unholy alliances.......

I just don't see how pulling back to the castle and locking the walls, will be an improvement.


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Because the president is exempt from criminal charges. he must be impeached first.
Civil lawsuits?

He was not the President when he was giving the speech or for many weeks after. :rolleyes:

And if he had lost the election, there would be no charge.

It's just whinny loser snowflakes making baseless claims and filing a frivolous lawsuit to try to substantiate them after the fact.
 

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No I'm suggesting working with others to disintangle ourselves from those unholy alliances.......

I just don't see how pulling back to the castle and locking the walls, will be an improvement.


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LOL.

Working with others IS unholy alliances.

Your plan is to continue with unholy alliances to get out of unholy alliances? o_O

That's like going to the bar because you are trying to quit drinking. :p

Let's use the china thing, check this out;

“Why would I call China a currency manipulator when they are working with us on the North Korean problem?” tweeted President Donald Trump on Easter Sunday.

Earlier, after discovering “great chemistry” with Chinese President Xi Jinping over “the most beautiful piece of chocolate cake” at Mar-a-Lago, Trump had confided, “I explained … that a trade deal with the U.S. will be far better for them if they solve the North Korean problem!”

This is a classic lose/lose agreement for the US. No matter what, the US loses. We lose on trade. So, how in the fuck is this good for the US? How is it "America first"? It's not. China gets credit for the Norks, and we pay for it. China gets jobs. SK is "safe". The US gets nothing but a trade deficit.

And, why is NK our problem? Because we joined somebody else civil war. We made it our problem. Instead of getting out, we make unholy, lose/lose deals that cost us.
 
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LOL.

Working with others IS unholy alliances.

Your plan is to continue with unholy alliances to get out of unholy alliances? o_O

That's like going to the bar because you are trying to quit drinking. :p

Let's use the china thing, check this out;

“Why would I call China a currency manipulator when they are working with us on the North Korean problem?” tweeted President Donald Trump on Easter Sunday.

Earlier, after discovering “great chemistry” with Chinese President Xi Jinping over “the most beautiful piece of chocolate cake” at Mar-a-Lago, Trump had confided, “I explained … that a trade deal with the U.S. will be far better for them if they solve the North Korean problem!”

This is a classic lose/lose agreement for the US. No matter what, the US loses. We lose on trade. So, how in the fuck is this good for the US? How is it "America first"? It's not. China gets credit for the Norks, and we pay for it. China gets jobs. SK is "safe". The US gets nothing but a trade deficit.
Didn't China agree to send coal back to NK and instead buy ours? Not exactly 'lose/lose' or 'the US gets nothing'. Things also aren't over, they've barely gotten started. I think it's a bit premature to make such absolute conclusions.

The first time someone has a fight with a spouse over getting the wrong salad dressing at the grocery store do you immediately call bullshit, the whole wedding was a scam, fuck it they're divorcing? Of course not. Some marriages don't work, some do. Some have lasted 20, 30, 40, 50+ years, to have made an absolute judgement about them 3mo into the venture seems a bit twitchy.

First people complain Trump's position on xyz has changed, then something happens and he takes a position and everyone cries we're doomed. Because it's the last decision he'll make. So which is it, he's capable of changing positions or he's steadfast on one position, idiocy be damned (coff coff obummer)? Sounds to me like people who can't wait for a reason to complain. If he's changed his mind in the past I'm somewhat confident that if things go south he'll change his mind/position again. The ability to roll with the punches isn't such a bad one. Sticking with mistakes for the sake of it to simply show you're unwavering benefits no one, least of all the country.
 

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He was not the President when he was giving the speech or for many weeks after. :rolleyes:

And if he had lost the election, there would be no charge.

It's just whinny loser snowflakes making baseless claims and filing a frivolous lawsuit to try to substantiate them after the fact.
YES he was.
As I said learn the details....
He has officially been campaigning since he won the election and since becoming president.
According to filings he IS Campaigning at these types of things

Strange behavior even for Agent Orange.
 

HondaDavidson

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Why would you officially accuse China of currency manipulator when you are a worse one....

And on the NK aspect and trade... well duh..... niether get better with out cooperation from and with China.

NK MUST be dealt with if you want out of Korea or the rest of Asia. Either we nuke em or get help and help others........ Reality sucks.

As far as trade is concerned..... look up the word negotiate.

The tomohawks so far turned out to he a pretty good negotiations tool...... Got everyone talking didn't it......... Trump banging his shoe on the table....... oops another Russian connection.

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Didn't China agree to send coal back to NK and instead buy ours? Not exactly 'lose/lose' or 'the US gets nothing'. Things also aren't over, they've barely gotten started. I think it's a bit premature to make such absolute conclusions.

The first time someone has a fight with a spouse over getting the wrong salad dressing at the grocery store do you immediately call bullshit, the whole wedding was a scam, fuck it they're divorcing? Of course not. Some marriages don't work, some do. Some have lasted 20, 30, 40, 50+ years, to have made an absolute judgement about them 3mo into the venture seems a bit twitchy.

First people complain Trump's position on xyz has changed, then something happens and he takes a position and everyone cries we're doomed. Because it's the last decision he'll make. So which is it, he's capable of changing positions or he's steadfast on one position, idiocy be damned (coff coff obummer)? Sounds to me like people who can't wait for a reason to complain. If he's changed his mind in the past I'm somewhat confident that if things go south he'll change his mind/position again. The ability to roll with the punches isn't such a bad one. Sticking with mistakes for the sake of it to simply show you're unwavering benefits no one, least of all the country.

Heh.

China had already increased coal imports from the US,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,last Nov.

http://www.platts.com/latest-news/coal/houston/us-coal-exports-higher-in-november-including-21532664

They also import from Russia.

And here is the real zinger, if the Norks capitulate guess what? China will resume coal imports from them. So, even if there is a tiny upswing in US coal exports, it will be short lived and we still have a trade deficit.

You can suck Donald Dick for the next four years but it doesn't change the fact that his interventionist foreign policy has and will be anti-America first. It is becoming and will be a globalist policy on everything from trade to economics. Everything he campaigned on is now dead.

His campaign promises are being broken, no matter how many excuses you use. Trump reverses his campaign policies, and I'm the bad guy for not making excuses for him. That's hilarious.
 
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Why would you officially accuse China of currency manipulator when you are a worse one....

And on the NK aspect and trade... well duh..... niether get better with out cooperation from and with China.

NK MUST be dealt with if you want out of Korea or the rest of Asia. Either we nuke em or get help and help others........ Reality sucks.

As far as trade is concerned..... look up the word negotiate.

The tomohawks so far turned out to he a pretty good negotiations tool...... Got everyone talking didn't it......... Trump banging his shoe on the table....... oops another Russian connection.

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Bullshit.

Either you believe this or you don't. You can't have it both ways.

"It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world": it was George Washington's Farewell Address to us. The inaugural pledge of Thomas Jefferson was no less clear: "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations-entangling alliances with none."

Remember MAGA? That was when America was great. What happened to the "again" part?
 

HondaDavidson

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Notice.. that carrier group headed to NK...... never left Australia. ....apparently. .......

There's another lie.......................

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HondaDavidson

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Bullshit.

Either you believe this or you don't. You can't have it both ways.

"It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world": it was George Washington's Farewell Address to us. The inaugural pledge of Thomas Jefferson was no less clear: "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations-entangling alliances with none."

Remember MAGA? That was when America was great. What happened to the "again" part?
Trump isn't Harry Potter............

We were intangled long before Trump.............

How did you expect MAGA would happen without dealing with those intanglements?



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Trump isn't Harry Potter............

We were intangled long before Trump.............

How did you expect MAGA would happen without dealing with those intanglements?



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Trump isn't even Trump. What part of, "Trump is reversing his policies" do you not understand?

I expected MAGA would begin to happen by Trump doing what the fuck Trump said he would do. Not fucking changing his policies.

I'm not sure what has you so confused. I liked Trump's campaign policies. I voted for those policies. those were MAGA policies. Those policies no longer exist.

"How did you expect MAGA would happen without dealing with those intanglements?" Answer, BY DOING WHAT TRUMP SAID HE WOULD DO.

He said he would equalize trade with China. I voted for that. That's not what I got and you ask me how did I expect MAGA to happen? :eek:

MAGA begins to happen if Trump doesn't flip flop. But he did flip flop.

MAGA needed Campaign Trump. We don't fucking have campaign Trump. We have liar Trump.
 
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