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BigNasty

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Big former CIA head daddy bush laid the ground work of middle east fuckery by pulling support of the Kurds.
Billary his psycho treasonous whore wife laid the ground work and inner workings of what we are seeing now.
Obamacare is the bullshit Hitlery was trying to push in 94 but was told to back off it or die.
Housing mess is from them dismantling certain rules put in place post depression.
911 was a direct effect of dismantling the various military and intel assets.
 

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But, since you went there:

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Big Motors, Bigger Rates

Horsepower can directly impact the cost of your insurance. The more horsepower your vehicle has, the likelier you are to drive at faster speeds and as such, the higher the risk of an accident. Different trim levels with varying engine sizes, even among the same makes and models, can bring differences in insurance premiums based on engine size.

If you're looking to save money on car insurance, opt for vehicles with less horsepower when you can.

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http://www.kbb.com/car-advice/articles/the-most-expensive-and-least-expensive-cars-to-insure/

Thank you for the reference. I believe I was answering what you bolded, but if it wasn't clear enough, then I can see about making the reference more understandable next time.

The quote that you provided exactly proves my point... the more horsepower your vehicle has, the likelier your are to drive at faster speeds... etc etc. It isn't the horsepower that is the problem... it is only used as a indication of the TYPE of person that would drive said vehicles...

The same statement using guns would be "The more fuzzy your gun is, the likelier you are to... etc etc." I did not want to make this type of generalization and only focus on the objective aspect of fuzzy bunny guns. Unless this is the direction you'd like to continue for the discussion?
 

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Thank you for the reference. I believe I was answering what you bolded, but if it wasn't clear enough, then I can see about making the reference more understandable next time.

The quote that you provided exactly proves my point... the more horsepower your vehicle has, the likelier your are to drive at faster speeds... etc etc. It isn't the horsepower that is the problem... it is only used as a indication of the TYPE of person that would drive said vehicles...

The same statement using guns would be "The more fuzzy your gun is, the likelier you are to... etc etc." I did not want to make this type of generalization and only focus on the objective aspect of fuzzy bunny guns. Unless this is the direction you'd like to continue for the discussion?

Go back and check what I bolded. That is the part of the gun debate I was talking about.

What I posted about cars did not in fact prove your point. It's the ability to adequately control the horsepower. The quote explained it quite well.

But, let's get back to the guns shall we?

Ready?

District of Columbia v. Heller:

"The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home."

Also:

"Justice Thomas wrote that “roughly five million Americans own AR-style semiautomatic rifles. … The overwhelming majority of citizens who own and use such rifles do so for lawful purposes, including self-defense and target shooting.” He added that “nder our precedents, that is all that is needed for citizens to have a right under the Second Amendment to keep such weapons.” Thomas further mourned that the Supreme Court and lower reviewing courts had consigned the Second Amendment “to a second-class right.”

Source:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._may_finally_have_to_take_a_new_gun_case.html

Further Reading:
http://hlrecord.org/2016/02/what-the-founders-would-actually-say-about-assault-weapons/
 

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Hopefully Trump will shake things up and give us a little more respect in the world .build back our military and turn Issis and their affiliates into dust .
We need another George washington ,or Sam Adams .

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Big former CIA head daddy bush laid the ground work of middle east fuckery by pulling support of the Kurds.
Billary his psycho treasonous whore wife laid the ground work and inner workings of what we are seeing now.
Obamacare is the bullshit Hitlery was trying to push in 94 but was told to back off it or die.
Housing mess is from them dismantling certain rules put in place post depression.
911 was a direct effect of dismantling the various military and intel assets.
ObamaCare is almost a carbon copy of RomneyCare in Massachucettes.
 

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BigNasty

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ObamaCare is almost a carbon copy of RomneyCare in Massachucettes.
Which is carbon copy of hitlery care that she tried to push in 94/95, and was ultimately discredited.

But that shady backroom ass fucking that it is came back like congressional herpes with another skag pushing "pass it to see what is in it".

Ultimately the whole corrupt, treasonous temple needs cleaned out and those corrupt professional leaches who have sold the American people out need to face justice.
 
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BigNasty

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and which has proven to be a dismal failure. and one big lie.
OF course it is.
The whole motherfucking country would be in flames if they tried to tax us like the french... rename it and attach it to another corrupt failing system as a premium and the sheeple buy it hook line and sinker.
 

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We already spend more on our military than the next 8 countries COMBINED.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...us-spends-more-military-next-8-nations-combi/
U.S. taxpayers have spent over $22 trillion on anti-poverty programs (in constant 2012 dollars). Adjusted for inflation, this spending (which does not include Social Security or Medicare) is three times the cost of all military wars in U.S. history since the American Revolution. Despite this mountain of spending, progress against poverty, at least as measured by the government, has been minimal.

guess it's time to scrap this failed policy as well.
 
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OF course it is.
The whole motherfucking country would be in flames if they tried to tax us like the french... rename it and attach it to another corrupt failing system as a premium and the sheeple buy it hook line and sinker.
I was thinking about how Johnathan Gruber the so called architect of Obamacare was caught on video like three times admitting they lied about the whole thing, because if they told the truth they knew the people would never agree to it...
 

BigNasty

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I was thinking about how Johnathan Gruber the so called architect of Obamacare was caught on video like three times admitting they lied about the whole thing, because if they told the truth they knew the people would never agree to it...
And no one read it.
They got that fucking crypt keeper to push it to pass.

The gang of 502 have done more damage America, killed more Americans and stolen more money than anything ISIS, AL whogives a shit and the taliturds could ever dream of doing.
 

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And no one read it.
They got that fucking crypt keeper to push it to pass.

The gang of 502 have done more damage America, killed more Americans and stolen more money than anything ISIS, AL whogives a shit and the taliturds could ever dream of doing.
tru words...the single greatest threat to the republic is the US goverment and Congress....no forgien enemy comes close....not even mexico.
 

BigNasty

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tru words...the single greatest threat to the republic is the US goverment and Congress....no forgien enemy comes close....not even mexico.
Honestly besides Congress and Senate the only real threat is currently an ally.. they could FUCK shit up real quick.
 

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Go back and check what I bolded. That is the part of the gun debate I was talking about.

What I posted about cars did not in fact prove your point. It's the ability to adequately control the horsepower. The quote explained it quite well.

But, let's get back to the guns shall we?

Ready?

District of Columbia v. Heller:

"The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home."

Also:

"Justice Thomas wrote that “roughly five million Americans own AR-style semiautomatic rifles. … The overwhelming majority of citizens who own and use such rifles do so for lawful purposes, including self-defense and target shooting.” He added that “nder our precedents, that is all that is needed for citizens to have a right under the Second Amendment to keep such weapons.” Thomas further mourned that the Supreme Court and lower reviewing courts had consigned the Second Amendment “to a second-class right.”

Source:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._may_finally_have_to_take_a_new_gun_case.html

Further Reading:
http://hlrecord.org/2016/02/what-the-founders-would-actually-say-about-assault-weapons/

I didn't see references regarding horsepower control, but let's move on.

DC v. Heller - Thank you for the information and agree in full. Although firearm ownership in general is not the topic of debate at this point, and I do support regular gun ownership.

Justice Thomas Quote - Thank you for the information as well, however, within the same article, it was also quoted by that majority that did make the DC v. Heller ruling that “Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited” and that it is “not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.” So... even those that supported gun ownership still maintained that it is not an unrestricted right. Not sure if that was the point you wanted to make with your references...
 

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I didn't see references regarding horsepower control, but let's move on.

DC v. Heller - Thank you for the information and agree in full. Although firearm ownership in general is not the topic of debate at this point, and I do support regular gun ownership.

Justice Thomas Quote - Thank you for the information as well, however, within the same article, it was also quoted by that majority that did make the DC v. Heller ruling that “Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited” and that it is “not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.” So... even those that supported gun ownership still maintained that it is not an unrestricted right. Not sure if that was the point you wanted to make with your references...

My car example was based on RISK, which is itself based on CLAIMS. Using CAPS because it seems to make more impact to you. Unless there is evidence speed itself (and not car control) is the reason for higher claims (which has NOT been shown), your point is moot.

But that wasn't the reason I brought it up originally. It was why aren't high HP cars banned as a 'risk' issue like your suggested weapons bans....

The DC v Heller DECISION, specifically left semi-automatic weapons as permitted. I suggest you delve deeper (I have) before making any further arguments about gun control. A semi-auto is a semi-auto regardless of what it "looks like".

Are you aware that a regular citizen CAN obtain a FULLY-auto weapon (machine gun)?
 

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I won't vote for Hillary, Donnie, or Bernie....

Maybe I can write in someone else? Suggestions please?

;)
 

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My car example was based on RISK, which is itself based on CLAIMS. Using CAPS because it seems to make more impact to you. Unless there is evidence speed itself (and not car control) is the reason for higher claims (which has NOT been shown), your point is moot.

But that wasn't the reason I brought it up originally. It was why aren't high HP cars banned as a 'risk' issue like your suggested weapons bans....

The DC v Heller DECISION, specifically left semi-automatic weapons as permitted. I suggest you delve deeper (I have) before making any further arguments about gun control. A semi-auto is a semi-auto regardless of what it "looks like".

Are you aware that a regular citizen CAN obtain a FULLY-auto weapon (machine gun)?

Yes, the RISK to the insurance company are based on the CLAIMS, but as I have already pointed out, you associated the RISK with the car Hellcat, whereas the insurance company is using it as an indicator to associate RISK to the driver who would drive a Hellcat. This is fundamentally different. Which leads to the point you were driving at. High HP cars are not banned because they are not substantially more dangerous than any other car currently legal, unless you can indicate how, in a similar incident, a high HP car would cause substantially more damage and/or casualties than other cars. Please note that it is a qualitative, not quantitative comparison.

I also agree with the idea that the classification of guns based on appearance is wrong, but that's not what makes a fuzzy bunny gun... In case the post is too far back, an example of a fuzzy bunny gun is a fully automatic AR-15 with 100rd drum mag. A California legal AR-15 is not a fuzzy bunny gun.
 

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Sheese, A shakedown artist disbarred lawyer going after Trump in the only way they can, shakedown lawsuits. This has Clinton's grubby paw prints all over with with the DNC.
the wheels are coming off the clinton clown car...she is going to try and have 30 rallies in 5 days in California...reeks of desperation.
 

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the wheels are coming off the clinton clown car...she is going to try and have 30 rallies in 5 days in California...reeks of desperation.
Cause old socialist Bernie is angling for a contested convention. That will be interesting if it happens. We will get to see all the thuggery and violent protests by Dem's, against Dem's.
 

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Yes, the RISK to the insurance company are based on the CLAIMS, but as I have already pointed out, you associated the RISK with the car Hellcat, whereas the insurance company is using it as an indicator to associate RISK to the driver who would drive a Hellcat. This is fundamentally different. Which leads to the point you were driving at. High HP cars are not banned because they are not substantially more dangerous than any other car currently legal, unless you can indicate how, in a similar incident, a high HP car would cause substantially more damage and/or casualties than other cars. Please note that it is a qualitative, not quantitative comparison.

I also agree with the idea that the classification of guns based on appearance is wrong, but that's not what makes a fuzzy bunny gun... In case the post is too far back, an example of a fuzzy bunny gun is a fully automatic AR-15 with 100rd drum mag. A California legal AR-15 is not a fuzzy bunny gun.

You're missing the point (again). Just leave the Hellcart part alone, since you can't seem to grasp the concept of RISK. At all.

The supreme court has confirmed the rights of citizens to own semi-automatic weapons with large magazines. The RISK of allowing them is that someone may choose to use them to harm others. Just like the Hellcat.

Got it yet?
 

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Cause old socialist Bernie is angling for a contested convention. That will be interesting if it happens. We will get to see all the thuggery and violent protests by Dem's, against Dem's.
The fact that the corprate owned and controled media refuses to report on or investigate the massive numbers of violence committed by Democrats during this campagin,shows that the press is nothing more than a propoganda mill for the stupid.It also shows that the corporations and the totalitarian leftists in America are starting to legitamize the use of violence against people who support freedom.
and then you have idiots asking why we need the second amendment.....so feral mobs of Democrats don't beat you to death for going to a Trump rally to hear a speech.The left know their ideas are bankrupt and have been rejected so the are turning to violence to repress thought and speech....and the media ignores it at best or lie about it,and blames free thought for the violence of democrats.The DNC is no longer a legitamate political party it's encourgment of violence makes it more suited for some third world latin american shithole, not the USA.
 
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The fact that the corprate owned and controled media refuses to report on or investigate the massive numbers of violence committed by Democrats during this campagin,shows that the press is nothing more than a propoganda mill for the stupid.It also shows that the corporations and the totalitarian leftists in America are starting to legitamize the use of violence against people who support freedom.
and then you have idiots asking why we need the second amendment.....so feral mobs of Democrats don't beat you to death for going to a Trump rally to hear a speech.The left know their ideas are bankrupt and have been rejected so the are turning to violence to repress thought and speech....and the media ignores it at best or lie about it,and blames free thought for the violence of democrats.The DNC is no longer a legitimate political party it's encouragement of violence makes it more suited for some third world latin american shithole, not the USA.
What I find appalling is the push to criminalize free speech and ideas by so called progressives, merely questioning a line of thought or a concept in colleges, universities, government, and the sciences can destroy careers and wreck academic work. This is way past political correctness and is active thought censorship. Violence is just a means to intimidate and shut-up the speakers and promoters of ideas and concepts the left and ultra left don't like. To be fair, the ultra right can use these tactics too and do to some degree.

The media and the implicit bias presented by them is apparent to a lot of folks, yet the only time it gets challenged successfully is when there is an agenda that the corporations and government deem allowable. The main stream media got played by Trump, they went after him with pitchforks and torches and got their asses handed to them by a man who used the negative press to his advantage. He showed the world the implicit bias the media has toward the left/socialist political affiliations and capitalized on it. Left leaning Silicon Valley Billionaires quietly met with elected members of our government in a cabal to stop Trump. Once aviation enthusiasts got the tail numbers from all the private jets and figured out who was attending, a small news article was published and quickly died. The press simply rolled over and did what their Masters told them to do.

Our politically correct press made headlines denigrating Trump's I am a spammer ban me, his hair, his weight, his sexuality in order to stab at him. The press broke their own rules against body shaming. If a female or male Democrat was targeted in such a way, there would be protests and internet mobs hunting down the reporters and publishers of the article. The very definition of hypocrisy. That's our main stream media.

I believe very little of what our supposed free press puts out nowadays. If you look and examine the stories and concepts behind them you will see propaganda in action, which is basically telling the same lie in different ways repeatedly.
 

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have you been keeping abreast of Milo Yiannopoulos's "Dangerous Fag**t Tour"..the American left is being exposed as a bunch of anti-intellectual knuckle dragging brownshirts...
 

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have you been keeping abreast of Milo Yiannopoulos's "Dangerous Fag**t Tour"..the American left is being exposed as a bunch of anti-intellectual knuckle dragging brownshirts...
Yep the same ones who thinks it is ok to kill their professors... then themselves..
If only they would leave the profs and just off themselves we would be better off.
 

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have you been keeping abreast of Milo Yiannopoulos's "Dangerous Fag**t Tour"..the American left is being exposed as a bunch of anti-intellectual knuckle dragging brownshirts...
I have. I get a belly laugh at the students who are so traumatized that they need immediate group therapy led by a school psychologist. It's all bullshit. If the students are such wilting flowers, hearing a set of views from a conservative gay dude puts them into psychosis. I don't buy it for a second. It's simply a set of professional victims, or professional victims in training who get traumatized as long as there is media present to promote their muzzling of the bad, bad speaker. The far left students get violent when exposed to information their dogma won't allow, and as we have seen Professors and Faculty promote this violence. Google Melissa Click, the now ex-professor who called on her students for "some muscle" to physically assault and remove an Asian-America student reporter because he was invading their "safe space" in the middle of a campus quad.
 

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All your micro aggressions are hurting my feelings.
I'm reporting you to Shrillary.
The diversity squad will straighten you out pretty quick. :)
 

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Yes the DOJ who wants to investigate under rico people who disagree with global warming . Maybe thats why you cant call a Eskimo a Eskimo anymore cause its racist .

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Sheese, A shakedown artist disbarred lawyer going after Trump in the only way they can, shakedown lawsuits. This has Clinton's grubby paw prints all over with with the DNC.
Didn't the lawsuit begin in like 2013? I was pretty sure the Trump U lawsuit started BEFORE Trump announced his candidacy.
 

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I have. I get a belly laugh at the students who are so traumatized that they need immediate group therapy led by a school psychologist. It's all bullshit. If the students are such wilting flowers, hearing a set of views from a conservative gay dude puts them into psychosis. I don't buy it for a second. It's simply a set of professional victims, or professional victims in training who get traumatized as long as there is media present to promote their muzzling of the bad, bad speaker. The far left students get violent when exposed to information their dogma won't allow, and as we have seen Professors and Faculty promote this violence. Google Melissa Click, the now ex-professor who called on her students for "some muscle" to physically assault and remove an Asian-America student reporter because he was invading their "safe space" in the middle of a campus quad.
I'm liberal and I can't fucking stand censorship. Of any kind.
 

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I have. I get a belly laugh at the students who are so traumatized that they need immediate group therapy led by a school psychologist. It's all bullshit. If the students are such wilting flowers, hearing a set of views from a conservative gay dude puts them into psychosis. I don't buy it for a second. It's simply a set of professional victims, or professional victims in training who get traumatized as long as there is media present to promote their muzzling of the bad, bad speaker. The far left students get violent when exposed to information their dogma won't allow, and as we have seen Professors and Faculty promote this violence. Google Melissa Click, the now ex-professor who called on her students for "some muscle" to physically assault and remove an Asian-America student reporter because he was invading their "safe space" in the middle of a campus quad.
I could have told you this years ago when the Army introduced time out chits for recruits...
 

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I'm liberal and I can't fucking stand censorship. Of any kind.
yeah alot of the liberals in America are saying the same thing...it all seems like bullshit to me, it seems that most liberal in america stands with this totalitarian shit...I haven't seen one single major democrat or even rank and file democrats stand up and speak out aginst it...in public they stay silent and say they are shocked in private they encourage it....I haven't heard Bernie,Hillbillary,or debbie bubble head schultz speak out against it ...you can bet your ass if it was conservatives doing this shit all these liberal fucks would be screaming their heads off....instead the liberals in America blame Trump for the violence of the left.Which is fine by me because it allows the entire country to see the truth about the left, and the silince of rank and file liberals just makes people realize if they want to be able to read, and think, and speak they can't vote for the left.....as it stands right now liberals are in favor of massive censorship .Liberal censorship of thought and speech, and even books is so prevalent we have coined a venacular term for it.."political correctness"

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Yes the DOJ who wants to investigate under rico people who disagree with global warming . Maybe thats why you cant call a Eskimo a Eskimo anymore cause its racist .

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that is Stalinist.
 

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Nah that is democratic socialist.
fuck man the democrat socialists in europe are putting people in jail left and right for free speech, I don't know how many times they tried to jail Geert Wilder....Shit man when I was in school we read Orwells's 1984 as a warning,now they read 1984 as a blueprint for the society they want to create.
 
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Wow. I leave for a few days and the fucking wackjobs show up.

Did Dickweedalicious attract all the wierdos to the thread?
 

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Didn't the lawsuit begin in like 2013? I was pretty sure the Trump U lawsuit started BEFORE Trump announced his candidacy.

I believe Trump was a Billionaire in 2013 and had stated an interest in running for President long before. Obama began bashing him in 2011.
 
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