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iJOY Asolo 200W, A mod taste control all wires includes kanthal/stainless steel
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Agreed. It should be at most 2/3rds the price of a Snow Wolf. That would put it around $60 and that's assuming 1) it exists and 2) it works.
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That's still not temp control. The cotton is also burnt lol.
And it looks like it's made of even crappier materials than an iStick.
"100% °F"
And it looks like it's made of even crappier materials than an iStick.
"100% °F"
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Also that super intelligent reviewer jamming a metal screwdriver down inside the battery compartment.
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What's your point? There wasn't any batteries in it.Also that super intelligent reviewer jamming a metal screwdriver down inside the battery compartment.
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Was only a first look Daniel is a good reviewer see some of his other reviews. He will tear the mod apart and put it back together to show what the internals are like. check some of them out.
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I think the borderline Borat accent is just making it difficult for me to take it seriously.
Guess I'm a jerk. If the production box is anything like the sample unit it should be $40. Looks super cheap to me.
That's still not temp control. The cotton is also burnt lol.
And it looks like it's made of even crappier materials than an iStick.
"100% °F"
"Slight discoloration..." Is code for burnt apparently.
Interesting, to be sure. Raises as many questions as it almost answers.
Something is keeping the cotton to a mere "heavy singe", but I don't know what. As I specifically use "Chi-Free" Kanthal... I'll leave it to others to speculate.
Sadly though... newb that I am, I can't create super paired, twisted, rolled, fused, flattened, Eric friggin' Burton Clapton Monsters of Rock chimney'd quad coil builds, and even I'm disappointed at the 0.5 ohm floor for Kanthal ... ummm, control.
We shall see though. Perhaps Innokin better look out.
I wouldn't trust any of the specs from the "manual" included. It also says it's a 18650 parallel configuration. Smh.
I think "a few" is an understatement.
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^^^^that's a question I would love to an answer for
I'm also curious on what is with the percentage thing? I mean wouldn't temp control be Celsius, Fahrenheit or maybe even Kelvin?
Either way, at least the MOD is a reality, the rest is left to ne determined... thank you Grace
....now numbers.... numbers don't lie(except for that dirty six)
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we don't have stock, and we are direct factory, i can't trust they have stock.haha
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i have contact them.they reply already, they are only for google rate i think
I've just had a thought: clearly this device doesn't do temp control (as we all expected) but it might do its "out of juice protection" thing by measuring a sudden slight increase in the coil's resistance when it dries up.
Most commercial juices have water in them: I guess if the coil is properly wet, that could be enough to lower the resistance slightly. That would explain why it's not expected to work for a strictly dry cotton burn test.
Also, if it only looks for a sudden change in resistance during a toke, it would also explain why, in the video, it seems to work once, then the reviewer can vape again until it stops again, then when the reviewer really insists, the cotton catches on fire eventually (because then it goes from dry to really dry and the mod doesn't see any change anymore).
And it would also explain why IJoy recommends a minimum resistance - so the short circuit due to water is easier to measure.
Yeah, I bet that's how it does its thing: it must use the slight conductivity of water in the juice. A good way to confirm this would be to try it with pure glycerin from the chemist (not commercial VG from vaping supplies stores): if it fails, then there's our answer.
Anybody has a Asolo on order who'll be able to test this?
Meanwhile, I'm gonna go down in my workshop and take some measurements with a dry kanthal coil and a wet one. My curiosity is piqued
[...]Meanwhile, I'm gonna go down in my workshop and take some measurements with a dry kanthal coil and a wet one. My curiosity is piqued
Replying to myself here but...
I've done some tests, but they are not conclusive. My tabletop equipment isn't precise enough for this. I *seem* to see a 0.01 to 0.02 ohm drop in resistance if I drench a dry 6-wrap, 28-ga coil in juice that I know contains saline, but that's hardly significant and/or exploitable in a commercial device.
Maybe they exploit a change in the coil's impedance at high frequency. I mean after all, a kanthal coil is an inductor, and the presence of water in its core (i.e. in the wick) is bound to change its magnetic properties.
I guess the only way to find out exactly how it measures the water content in the wick is to hook up a scope to an Asolo. Damn, I almost want to buy me one to reverse-engineer it now...
But one thing is sure: if someone can try the Asolo's "temperature protection" thing with pure glycerin, that'll go a long way toward determining its working principle.
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Google ranking is what I think she is saying.
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So to me, I watched the review, Ive read and kept up with all the nay sayers.
here is my take.
Grachen has some serious problems communicating in English. So some of what she may have posted may not be exactly what they meant. I can forgive that. This device does seem to do something different then other mods. Is it doing the same thing as a evolve, yihi or even evic vt? Probably not. But its doing something to try and prevent dry hits, which was the original purpose to TC.
So now that the mod is a reality, it does seem to do SOMETHING unique like it was suppose to using Kanthal, lets wait for more actual reviews and have people put it through its paces to see what this thing can or cannot really do.
There are plenty of people like dre who will give it a shot to see what it can or cant do. Phil will probably review it eventually, and other you tube reviewers will as well. SO for me just like any other mod, I will wait for others to give it a try and post their experiences with it before passing an initial judgement on it
I think the company's inability to communicate effectively in the English language has caused most of the issues here in this thread and elsewhere. I am guessing this mod does EXACTLY what they intended it to do. but what it was intended to do is not exactly what was posted in ENGLISH. Therefor many conclusions were made and the mod may not live up to the original conclusions drawn form poorly translated english. SO I say forget what they actually posted, and lets find out exactly what it can or cant do.
here is my take.
Grachen has some serious problems communicating in English. So some of what she may have posted may not be exactly what they meant. I can forgive that. This device does seem to do something different then other mods. Is it doing the same thing as a evolve, yihi or even evic vt? Probably not. But its doing something to try and prevent dry hits, which was the original purpose to TC.
So now that the mod is a reality, it does seem to do SOMETHING unique like it was suppose to using Kanthal, lets wait for more actual reviews and have people put it through its paces to see what this thing can or cannot really do.
There are plenty of people like dre who will give it a shot to see what it can or cant do. Phil will probably review it eventually, and other you tube reviewers will as well. SO for me just like any other mod, I will wait for others to give it a try and post their experiences with it before passing an initial judgement on it
I think the company's inability to communicate effectively in the English language has caused most of the issues here in this thread and elsewhere. I am guessing this mod does EXACTLY what they intended it to do. but what it was intended to do is not exactly what was posted in ENGLISH. Therefor many conclusions were made and the mod may not live up to the original conclusions drawn form poorly translated english. SO I say forget what they actually posted, and lets find out exactly what it can or cant do.
I care, because apparently it does something, until it doesn't and the wick bursts into flames.
That's the problem with Gracechen and her stupid company: if they actually said what their goddamn mod does exactly, people could make an informed decision on whether to spend their hard-earned dollars on it. Instead, they claim it does temperature control (which it doesn't), and you can bet your sweet ass someone somewhere will try to vape their wick dry to change flavor, DNA40-style, and receive a nasty surprise in very short order as a result.
Me, I'm not buying until I know not only what it does, but exactly how it does it. The whole point of TC isn't to know when to refill your atomizer, it's to avoid overheating the juice and producing harmful acrolein.
I bet you anything the Asolo and its half-assed TC thing doesn't prevent juice overheating at all - unless Gracechen proves me otherwise, and she won't, because she can't.
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I've inquired about the offer and depending on dollar amount I was going to get one for the sheer purpose of testing and satisfaction of curiosity.
-again purely based on what it'll cost. There are 2 pricy mods i actually want that are way more important to me...
@gracechen: can you certify here that the Asolo prevents the formation of acrolein from overheating the juice?
Yes or no please. No marketing bullshit.
Yes or no please. No marketing bullshit.
I could see myself buying one to tinker - even for top dollar. But I'd need valid technical justifications that it does what it says before spending a single cent. The system Evolv came up with was clear to understand, and that's why I rushed to buy one. IJoy's isn't by any stretch of the imagination.
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Yeah well....not that none of us haven't tried prying that information out.
At this point I would drop a few dollars to figure it out; but, nothing near what its listed at. There is just no way
I've just had a thought: clearly this device doesn't do temp control (as we all expected) but it might do its "out of juice protection" thing by measuring a sudden slight increase in the coil's resistance when it dries up.
Most commercial juices have water in them: I guess if the coil is properly wet, that could be enough to lower the resistance slightly. That would explain why it's not expected to work for a strictly dry cotton burn test.
Also, if it only looks for a sudden change in resistance during a toke, it would also explain why, in the video, it seems to work once, then the reviewer can vape again until it stops again, then when the reviewer really insists, the cotton catches on fire eventually (because then it goes from dry to really dry and the mod doesn't see any change anymore).
And it would also explain why IJoy recommends a minimum resistance - so the short circuit due to water is easier to measure.
Yeah, I bet that's how it does its thing: it must use the slight conductivity of water in the juice. A good way to confirm this would be to try it with pure glycerin from the chemist (not commercial VG from vaping supplies stores): if it fails, then there's our answer.
Anybody has a Asolo on order who'll be able to test this?
Meanwhile, I'm gonna go down in my workshop and take some measurements with a dry kanthal coil and a wet one. My curiosity is piqued
I think you're right on the dry cotton thing. Way back in this thread Asolo made the assertion that while other companies were using a magnifying glass to monitor the coil, they were using a microscope.
But I still say it's not temperature control. Much is made of the box "learning" the coil. So you vape it to a point you like and hit the button. It wasn't burning cotton at that point so it sure as hell won't burn cotton the next time the box produces that same temperature. It's a very clear issue to me but I don't think I'm explaining it very well. The Yihi SX350J reads the actual resistance and then uses algorithms to produce the proper temp.
This thing relies on you choosing a non-burning point to set the limiter. I'd like to have seen the "prefer" button get pushed on a brand new, totally dry coil. Then we could see if there's any real control of the chip or whether it's simply limiting the vape to a pre-selected level.
The cotton only "burst into flames" when he put it into power mode. He said "let's see how it is with temp control disabled" that is when the cotton catches fire. Up until that point it is temp limiting kanthal. Yes it does singe the cotton a bit at first...but it is doing what they said it would: Temp limiting kanthal. How well it actually does so draw after draw remains to be seen...but it is working in the video.
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Dude...she said a few times she is not an engineer and can't explain. She is clearly part of the marketing department so "marketing bullshit" is her job
Dude...she said a few times she is not an engineer and can't explain. She is clearly part of the marketing department so "marketing bullshit" is her job
Marketing knows a product's main selling points. If the Asolo can prevent the formation of acrolein, that's a massive selling point. She should know.
In fact, if the Asolo could ensure that no acrolein is generated from overheating, she'd be harping on about it since the beginning of this thread. The very fact that she doesn't says a lot.
So @gracechen, which is it? Can the Asolo prevent glycerine from breaking down into acrolein due to overheating? Yes or no? If you're unsure, ask the engineers. But if you say yes, be prepared to back up your claims.
Based on the responses she has made, and the confusion in the language barrier I would be a bit surprised if she knew what is being asked. Looking at Giraut's comments this is an extremely important effect of temp control for them, and I completely respect this standpoint, but I'm not convinced Chinese manufacturers know or care.
Completely personal view but as long as my vape does not taste burnt, that's all I care about. I wasn't too worried when I was smoking about all the trace chemicals so unfortunately I am not too concerned about trace vape chemicals.
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Temp limiting without the ability to set the temp limit is essentially useless.
The language barrier is a convenient excuse sometimes...
That's where you're wrong. See this thread.
If you don't buy a TC mod to stay under the breakdown temperature of VG, you may as well not bother with a TC mod at all. What's the point of TC otherwise?
And yes, you're right: companies - Chinese or otherwise - don't give a shit about any of this. All they care about is selling their wares. They can do that by putting out genuine innovation that sells well (like Evolv) or riding on the success of others (like IJoy). Unless Gracechen proves me otherwise of course...
So @gracechen? Does the Asolo prevent glycerin from breaking down into acrolein in temperature control mode?
Incidentally, perhaps someone here who speaks Cantonese could tell us whether this thread translated by Google Translate is understandable. Then we'd know if Gracechen really doesn't understand what we're asking.
(Hint: this is a rhetorical question...)
(Hint: this is a rhetorical question...)
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thank you for forgive my broken english.
it is do TC but not the same way as evolve, yihi or evic vit.
phil speak to us, he do one review on Asolo until this one sell in the market. i will post it here once it is available.
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yes, it does it well.
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Dude...she said a few times she is not an engineer and can't explain. She is clearly part of the marketing department so "marketing bullshit" is her job
i know 60% of Asolo, the rest will be explain on some of the reviewers video.
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i feel you know nothing of Asolo.
sorry for saying this, but maybe you are from other company like evolve, or you are just fan of evolve, that's why you won't happy with other company.
Congratulations on the mod, Grace - I've been following this thread from the start, and have seen you continually hounded and harassed by some of the nastiest keyboard bullies on any vaping forum - snot nosed cretins who haven't even got the decency to admit they were wrong - not even when video evidence is shoved in front of their eyes!
You have always remained calm and professional - but I'm sure that you feel a deep sense of satisfaction that you have vindicated yourself and the product.
Best of luck with sales - I'll buy one when they land in the UK.
You're an idiot - you *do* know that, I take it?
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When you do maybe you can get us the numbers we've been asking for since day 1
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I feel you know nothing of temp limiting.
And if I was an Evolv employee or fan I'd probably own at least one of their devices.
Feel free to point me to the "video evidence" of this device carrying out proper temp limiting.