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Reviews are designed for new vapors who don't know what they are doing yet. We all were there once. Like Phil said, numbers are great but you have to use taste to find your perfect setup. No mod will ever be perfect but if it works for you it's a winner. Looking forward to receiving mine.Breazy,thanks for the deal!

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Reviews are designed for new vapors who don't know what they are doing yet. We all were there once. Like Phil said, numbers are great but you have to use taste to find your perfect setup. No mod will ever be perfect but if it works for you it's a winner. Looking forward to receiving mine.Breazy,thanks for the deal!

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I'm a technical person. I could pull out scopes and infrared temperature sensors and other stuff but to me it don't matter. What matters is that it works and I like the way it looks and especially the size. I will say in defense of the people that want to get real technical they have every right to "want to know" It was advertised to do something but I think that was more bad communication and/or language barrier. In the end you guys posting if you like it or not will be the real determining factor as to who buys it or not. There might be more from I JOY coming also ! Stay tuned !
 

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I can get quite technical as well, but honestly my equipment isn't Vaping on it, I am. I have reasonable expectations. I never expected TC on Kanthal (at least the way we know it). The resistance change is so small (Kanthal), it would take extremely expensive equipment to do that imo.

I think it looks sharp, quite small for a dual 18650 mod (a definite plus), and at a very reasonable price. I'm just looking for it to work good in power mode and regular TC. If it does Taste control/ dry hit prevention, that will be a plus. But TBH, I don't have a big problem with dry hits, but it will be fun to experiment/play with.

I do wish it was capable of user upgrades. Not for added power, but more for fixing any bugs that might be present along with possible adding TCR's for other wire in the future(like SS). Like I said, I have reasonable expectations.

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This is the review i was waiting on. I been on the fence with this all week, given the $75 sale and the fact that I really really like my small mods.

There is enough cons there, for my own preferences at least, that i'm taking a pass though. I had hoped the overall quality was going to be a tad better (accuracy and standard TC both look kinda meh, plus that phantom press stuff that always seems to get worse in my own experiences as a device ages is just plain weak).

Still, $75 isn't a bad price for those itching to get a new toy i guess. If it had a firmware upgrade option i'd of probably jumped in. Instead i'll just wait and watch out for the v2, or the inevitable copy by Sigelei or whoever that probably end up doing it a lot better.
 

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This is the review i was waiting on. I been on the fence with this all week, given the $75 sale and the fact that I really really like my small mods.

There is enough cons there, for my own preferences at least, that i'm taking a pass though. I had hoped the overall quality was going to be a tad better (accuracy and standard TC both look kinda meh, plus that phantom press stuff that always seems to get worse in my own experiences as a device ages is just plain weak).

Still, $75 isn't a bad price for those itching to get a new toy i guess. If it had a firmware upgrade option i'd of probably jumped in. Instead i'll just wait and watch out for the v2, or the inevitable copy by Sigelei or whoever that probably end up doing it a lot better.
So what are the cons? I have had no issues so far using this mod the past 3 weeks with really liking Not getting any dry hits with using Kanthal
 

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So what are the cons? I have had no issues so far using this mod the past 3 weeks with really liking Not getting any dry hits with using Kanthal
I pre-ordered this a month and half ago maybe when was on Angelcigs for 80something. You really can't go wrong with size and 200w for the price. I canceled my order last week and placed through Breezy, rather support him.

My main and only big problem is no USB charging. I have 4 batteries that rotate through charger for only the IPV D2 and is annoying, never remember special cable. Some will never USB charge and not a negative. With VS 200, less than 2 hours was charged, no extra gear. Always around USB.

Excited for new toy and meh will get over USB.

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I pre-ordered this a month and half ago maybe when was on Angelcigs for 80something. You really can't go wrong with size and 200w for the price. I canceled my order last week and placed through Breezy, rather support him.

My main and only big problem is no USB charging. I have 4 batteries that rotate through charger for only the IPV D2 and is annoying, never remember special cable. Some will never USB charge and not a negative. With VS 200, less than 2 hours was charged, no extra gear. Always around USB.

Excited for new toy and meh will get over USB.

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The batteries do last a good time for me using .2 or .5 ohm coils without swapping out til I get home.
 

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I wouldn't charge 18650's in series, inside my mods even if it was possible. I just bring a spare set if needed. I think it's better not to have the charging going on inside the mod, less to go wrong. Just my 2c.

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Edit. I have no problem charging single 18650 mods internally. I usually don't because I normally have a spare set with me. It's a whole different ballgame charging series 18650's internally imo
 

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Though I have seen a few people in the forums having mods catch fire or melt down I would think majority of them were user error.for example guy at work purchased some cheap batteries off eBay put one in single device and instantly got extremely hot. Crappy batteries. I would think that there should not be much of safety issue using high quality batteries on USB. Not having much time to research my perspective could be wrong, but take basic precautions such as not charging over night. Maybe USB charging will cause batteries to have shorter life, but not something concerned about.

My normal vape is TC, currently giving Ni another go after great results with Ti, .08-.15 32w, 400-460f. Chain on that 5-10 min everything gets hit and battery takes big hit from heat. On kanthal about .6-.8 20w and same heat. Point being is vape style is conducive to USB charging or carrying multiple batteries.

There are risks with many things, think that USB charging would be low on the list. Higher could be using Ni/Ti wire that has not had a chance to be tested for long term effects.

Anyway enjoy the convenience, really like the VS with lipo and 2amp quick charging.

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This is the review i was waiting on. I been on the fence with this all week, given the $75 sale and the fact that I really really like my small mods.

There is enough cons there, for my own preferences at least, that i'm taking a pass though. I had hoped the overall quality was going to be a tad better (accuracy and standard TC both look kinda meh, plus that phantom press stuff that always seems to get worse in my own experiences as a device ages is just plain weak).

Still, $75 isn't a bad price for those itching to get a new toy i guess. If it had a firmware upgrade option i'd of probably jumped in. Instead i'll just wait and watch out for the v2, or the inevitable copy by Sigelei or whoever that probably end up doing it a lot better.
Phils review was good but having used one for a few weeks he did some things wrong and he did not get the final version. Go back some posts and you'll see what I said. To each his own though. No one is forcing anyone to do anything. It is a good box though.
 

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Here I put it for you to find easily. I did watch the long video also.

OK so I watched the lengthy video lol. Good work Phil. I could see by the end that you were actually liking it. What I've found is that you have to use it for a while and get used to it. The Kanthal thing and dry hit prevention is a bonus, and did work every time for me with my Dark Horse and sub ohm tank. You did like it for the size and build quality which is what I really like it for. I think I got a different version than his. I had no play in the face plate, my buttons were tight and the bottom body of the unit were clearly marked plus and minus in white. So I did get something different. For testing of this device I learned one thing. Since it does work differently than anything we are used to, you absolutely must have airflow going over the coils when testing. It plays a big part in how it reads and/or works. You simply just cannot hit the fire button and look at it. It don't work like that. If you vape it with Kanthal in taste control mode and you can see the wattage as you vape you will see it does change up and down which indicates to me it is trying to regulate the temperature. Again you have to be vaping it while looking at or measuring anything. That's mighty hard to do lol. Some of the other things I agree with but thought they were trivial like the way it goes fast up and down in the accelerated mode. You pass it up you bring it back down or vice versa. I will agree and did mention to IJOY about having to short a time to select ni or ti but once you know how to do it you get used to it and deal with it. Again could be longer but kind of trivial because you can get it into ni or ti mode. The buttons I was told were a 1 second wait time in between presses. So pressing the T button you need to not go to fast or not to slow. knowing that you get used to that's the way it works. The 200 watts wasn't even an issue for me because I really vape everything at 40 or 50 watts. So it kind of goes back to what I said. For the price of $99.99 or the sale price we have it up for like $75.00, It's a well built box, small in size and it works good. I haven't picked up any of my other devices since I started using it. So to sum it up for me, The average vaper is really going to like it. If your going to buy it to use it to the extremes or try to make it do something it cannot do or to try and pick it apart technically like a designer or engineer then you might not like it.
 

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Here I put it for you to find easily. I did watch the long video also.

OK so I watched the lengthy video lol. Good work Phil. I could see by the end that you were actually liking it. What I've found is that you have to use it for a while and get used to it. The Kanthal thing and dry hit prevention is a bonus, and did work every time for me with my Dark Horse and sub ohm tank. You did like it for the size and build quality which is what I really like it for. I think I got a different version than his. I had no play in the face plate, my buttons were tight and the bottom body of the unit were clearly marked plus and minus in white. So I did get something different. For testing of this device I learned one thing. Since it does work differently than anything we are used to, you absolutely must have airflow going over the coils when testing. It plays a big part in how it reads and/or works. You simply just cannot hit the fire button and look at it. It don't work like that. If you vape it with Kanthal in taste control mode and you can see the wattage as you vape you will see it does change up and down which indicates to me it is trying to regulate the temperature. Again you have to be vaping it while looking at or measuring anything. That's mighty hard to do lol. Some of the other things I agree with but thought they were trivial like the way it goes fast up and down in the accelerated mode. You pass it up you bring it back down or vice versa. I will agree and did mention to IJOY about having to short a time to select ni or ti but once you know how to do it you get used to it and deal with it. Again could be longer but kind of trivial because you can get it into ni or ti mode. The buttons I was told were a 1 second wait time in between presses. So pressing the T button you need to not go to fast or not to slow. knowing that you get used to that's the way it works. The 200 watts wasn't even an issue for me because I really vape everything at 40 or 50 watts. So it kind of goes back to what I said. For the price of $99.99 or the sale price we have it up for like $75.00, It's a well built box, small in size and it works good. I haven't picked up any of my other devices since I started using it. So to sum it up for me, The average vaper is really going to like it. If your going to buy it to use it to the extremes or try to make it do something it cannot do or to try and pick it apart technically like a designer or engineer then you might not like it.

I bought mods before based on Phil's reviews which some he said worked excellent turned out to be a piece of shit, and other he said that were no good turned out to be excellent so with that said do not go by one review, watch a few reviews then decide if you want to buy it or not. Be a educated consumer.

This does not refer in anyway to Phil but I have been told by China MFG's that there is a list of reviewers that get paid from them cash for doing their reviews. They would not show me the list. I myself have been offered once or twice to do a paid review which I turned down.

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I bought mods before based on Phil's reviews which some he said worked excellent turned out to be a piece of shit, and other he said that were no good turned out to be excellent so with that said do not go by one review, watch a few reviews then decide if you want to but it or not. Be a educated consumer.

This does not refer in anyway Phil but I have been told by China MFG's that there is a list of reviewers that get paid from them cash for doing their reviews. They would not show me the list. I myself have been offered once or twice to do a paid review which I turned down.

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On that note

I watch Phil strictly for the numbers and hard facts, he and I have entirely different taste in hardware so his personal opinion on hardware doesn't do me any good. but numbers don't lie.
I watch some others; that, I have similar vape styles too in order, to get opinions on performance and build quality.

Since I started doing that I haven't had buyers remorse much.
 
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What's also great about our hobby is that there are a lot more than reviews out there on YouTube, do some research and you'll find a fat guy with a shitty cell camera showing the issues he had with his purchase. Unfortunately some of the reviewers anymore never say anything bad about anything. For example one device I saw reviewed by 2 of the big boys, they both liked it. However, one mentioned the fact that the battery sled ate his battery wraps, the other didn't even show the sled if I recall. Funny how one person gives you a lot of information while the other tells you its just a good device.
 

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On that note

I watch Phil strictly for the numbers and hard facts, he and I have entirely different taste in hardware so his personal opinion on hardware doesn't do me any good. but numbers don't lie.
I watch other that I have similar vape styles to , to get opinions on performance.

Since I started doing that I haven't had buyers remorse much.
Yes Phil is great for measuring numbers with his fancy testers, that is why when doing my review I mentioned if you like seeing numbers check his reviews out.
 
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I take most any review with a grain of salt...In all honesty ive made more decisions based on "common folk" reviews than from any "popular" reviewers.

You have your brand junkies where every single thing they review from them is the best thing this side of the mississippi...Me , i dont care what the name says on it or where it was made as long it works like it should and ,ends up being reliable..And most important to me is i dont get shafted with no lube price wise for it.
 

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It sounds really promising, but I'm a little troubled by your comment on working builds. What builds have you found that don't work on it? I hope to get my hands on one soon so that I can do a full review.
Just read this.
The builds that dry hit prevention hasn't worked with are any complex build like Claptons, and fused macro/micro coils....coils need to be spaced.
With the macros, dry hit prevention (DHP) kicks on way too early. With complex builds it kicks on a tad too late...You end up with a dry hit but no burnt wick.
So far I've only got one dual coil build to work right with DHP, but the Smok tfv4 tri coils work great.
Keep in mind I have a beta unit.

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I haven't been reading here for a while, so I was surprised that no one seems to have mentioned Phil Busadro's quick take on this mod. According to him, it does not do temp control - no way, no how. He said that it might be doing something else but he had a lot of testing to do on it before he could say for sure.
Phil is wrong about that. First, he's testing with a kfv4, about the worst tank to use for any TC testing (resistance fluctuation affects the kanthal TC mode as bad or worse then Ni/Ti).

In my testing, I have verified that regulation beyond dry hit prevention IS happening. With the right tank and build, it behaves much like a standard TC mod. Take a hit, power raises to set limit, stop drawing but keep the button pressed, power will drop, start drawing again and watch power climb back up.....that is much more then just cutting power when coil is dry!

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You have to look a it like this. For watts mode and TC with nickel and titanium it's a great little box. Anything else it does is a bonus. You really can't get accurate numbers because it works different than anything else. You also have to have airflow going over the coils when trying to do any kind of tests. It's kind of hard to do that. If your buying it for the the size and build quality you'll be more than happy. In my opinion. For me when I tested dry hit prevention it worked every time. I used a Dark Horse RDA with a dual coil, 12 wrap, 24 gauge Kanthal coming in at .5 ohms. I also used a High voltage tank with a Kanthal .2 ohm coil. I don't know, I really like it but again that' just me.
 

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Yes late Friday. I think we sold them all but we put in another order that might come at the end of next week if you didn't get one
 

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Yes late Friday. I think we sold them all but we put in another order that might come at the end of next week if you didn't get one
So when will you ship them? I like @AmandaD thought I was in the first order.
 
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Everyone who ordered on the labor day sale will probably ship Monday or Tuesday if they didn't work this weekend
 

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Ok just found out. They Didn't work this weekend so Andy said probably Tuesday. Still a little behind with orders.
 

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What's also great about our hobby is that there are a lot more than reviews out there on YouTube, do some research and you'll find a fat guy with a shitty cell camera showing the issues he had with his purchase. Unfortunately some of the reviewers anymore never say anything bad about anything. For example one device I saw reviewed by 2 of the big boys, they both liked it. However, one mentioned the fact that the battery sled ate his battery wraps, the other didn't even show the sled if I recall. Funny how one person gives you a lot of information while the other tells you its just a good device.
Yeah, many reviewers are just calling everything good. However; it is also a matter of perspective. What is crap for me just might be great for a beginner, so if the reviewer is stating the FACTS about the mod, they will stand alone and you don't necessarily need to call something good or bad.

Personally, I try to just tell it like it is. sometimes good, sometimes not so good. In the end, my goal is to just put out the facts and let the reader decide if it is going to be something they will be happy with.
 

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You have to look a it like this. For watts mode and TC with nickel and titanium it's a great little box. Anything else it does is a bonus. You really can't get accurate numbers because it works different than anything else. You also have to have airflow going over the coils when trying to do any kind of tests. It's kind of hard to do that. If your buying it for the the size and build quality you'll be more than happy. In my opinion. For me when I tested dry hit prevention it worked every time. I used a Dark Horse RDA with a dual coil, 12 wrap, 24 gauge Kanthal coming in at .5 ohms. I also used a High voltage tank with a Kanthal .2 ohm coil. I don't know, I really like it but again that' just me.

I also watch Phil's reviews strictly for the #'s.

I get everything you were stating in that post too btw, but for me build quality includes the chip and i'm just not overly impressed with this one given what i've seen/researched so far. It's not very accurate, and it's TC seems to fall more in the realm of "has it" then "does it particularly well". The latter of which is key imo, since if one is really *that* concerned with the true potential evil of "dry hits" (which doesn't seem to be many of these reviewers once the camera goes off btw), a device that does do TC particularly well is still looking like it trumps one with with an added bonus of DHP that doesn't imo.

Don't get me totally wrong, as i do see DHP as a potential step forward. But as is and until it gets fleshed out some more...it strikes me more as marketing over-hype then something of substance anybody already in possession of a decent TC device really needs. I drip as my primary method of vaping, prefer kanthal (actually rarely TC anymore), possess average-at-best build skills, and am not any more intelligent then the next guy. I still couldn't tell you off the top of my head the last time i took a noteworthy dry hit that could of been avoided if only i had DHP. Filling my tank when it gets empty and re-wicking if there seems to be a problem (which you are going to have to do either way) is all the DHP i really need. Which doesn't come with the potential trade off of annoying pop up messages either ;)

Again, to me the big and overwhelming selling point on this box is it's size. By not buying this now i'm making the bet that other companies will finally and fully catch on to the concept that smaller size sells. Hopefully in the near future, when I expect 2 18650 batt boxes that are more pocket friendly to be the new big thing.
 

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