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iJOY Asolo 200W, A mod taste control all wires includes kanthal/stainless steel
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This is The Internet, Grace. If we're not complaining about something... we don't feel like we're doing our job.
Now you damn kids... get off of my lawn.
i am not complaining about his word. i am simply talking what i was thinking.
i am enjoy talking with all of you. keep on vaping.
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Great news!
How?
I'm not vaping out of your device until you explain how it knows how to stay under the breakdown temperature of VG.
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Those buttons are pretty cool looking.
That screen is pretty cool looking as well.
I'm really starting to hope that this think works properly now
Well, you doubtless know the old adage, 'Never wrestle with a pig - you'll both get shitty, but the pig will enjoy it"
This thread has been filled with your carping, your gloating, your mocking, and your obnoxious comments. You have exhibited a peculiar hostility to this product from the very beginning, characterised by your incessant whining - "It's a marketing scam", "It's vendor spam", etc, etc.
You have spouted so much verbal diarrhoea that, clearly, you have forgotten much of what you have posted, so allow me to refresh your memory.
Your own definition of temperature control was the dry cotton test - you said that passing such a test,
(quote) "proves that at the most basic level, temp control is actually working" (/quote)
You said that (quote) ""Being able to detect a dry wick is kinda the whole point of temp control" (/quote)
You said (quote) "If the temp control is working though then the cotton won't burnThat's...the whole point, and why people value the cotton test" (/quote)
And so on, and so forth....
Yet, when a video is posted that demonstrates the Asolo satisfying *your* definition of a TC mod, you cannot bring yourself to admit that you judged the product too hastily and that you were, in fact, wrong.
At the very least, you owe Grace an apology for your childish and boorish behaviour.
Finally, you also posted (quote) "If kanthol was viable for TC, Evolve would have done it" (/quote)
Well it clearly *is* viable* - and Evolve didn't do it.
iJoy did.
So try and deal with it like an adult, eh?......
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Well that's certainly told 'em! - unless they reveal to you the details of a development that could transform the vaping scene and generate a fortune in revenue from sales and licensing fees, you won't use their product!
Bwaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!" - are you *always* as conceited as this? (I hope so, you'll be great fun
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Well that's certainly told 'em! - unless they reveal to you the details of a development that could transform the vaping scene and generate a fortune in revenue from sales and licensing fees, you won't use their product!
Bwaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!" - are you *always* as conceited as this? (I hope so, you'll be great fun
Are you being dense on purpose?
Look, IJoy proposes to sell me a device that's going to generate vapor I'll put in MY. FUCKING. LUNGS. The least they should do is tell me how it's gonna be a healthier vape than an ordinary VW mod.
- If I use a VW mod, I know I have no protection against acrolein. Fair enough.
- If I use a conventional TC mod, I know I'm protected against acrolein production. Fair enough.
- If I use an Asolo, I have Gracechen's promise that it really works. NOT ENOUGH!
I don't want IJoy to reveal all their secrets. I want them to give me enough technical clues about how their mod works to convince me that it really does work like they say it does. If you're happy with vague promises, I ain't.
In any case, if IJoy's system is as great as they say it is, it'll be reverse-engineered in no time flat, without them having to reveal anything at all.
Just because *you* don't understand the question doesn't mean it's not a valid question.
I have no doubt Gracechen understood the question perfectly. What you said just goes to show that science education in America doesn't work anymore. I suggest you read up on the chemistry of glycerol and acrolein, and the history of why the DNA40 came about.
Also, your comment on you being white and more capable of understanding something than a Chinese woman is fucking racist and sexist. That too says a lot about America, sadly.
(sighhhhhh)
Glycol produces acrolein @ 536 degrees f / 280 c (which, incidentally, makes one wonder why Evolve chips allow TC ranges up around 600f)
Dry cotton will ignite at 410 f.
So, the numbers shown on the mod are relatively unimportant - what matters is how it handles quantifiable events like cotton ignition.
If you select an Asolo setting (call it whatever you want) and the cotton does not ignite at that setting, then you are below 410 f, and consequently well below the required temperature for acrolein production.
The video clearly showed the cotton failing to ignite in iJoy's 'temperature control' mode, or 'limiting' mode, or 'flavour' mode - or whatever mode you wish to call it.
The mode name simply doesn't matter - the only important question is whether the temperature was kept below the dry cotton ignition temperature, which it undeniably was!
Don't be alarmed - the acrolein will not get you
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The cotton test is unimportant. It's just a test to show that the mod can read and control the temperature of the coil - whatever it is. On that front, the Asolo fails. But I'm happy to believe they read it another way that relies on the wick being wet.
That still doesn't convince me it doesn't overheat the juice when the wick is wet. A wet wick can withstand a lot of heat. And you should be worried when you see a video of a wet wick being visible singed after the mod hits the protection feature. The wick on a DNA40 mod never singes, even after the board hits TC dozens of times.
That still doesn't convince me it doesn't overheat the juice when the wick is wet. A wet wick can withstand a lot of heat. And you should be worried when you see a video of a wet wick being visible singed after the mod hits the protection feature. The wick on a DNA40 mod never singes, even after the board hits TC dozens of times.
DNA TC certainly can singe cotton in TC mode, depending on the selected temperature and the wetness/dryness of the wick
Even odder, every reviewer advocates at least a 450f setting as a starting point when selecting a desired temperature (as do device manufacturers) with many setting their devices over 500f - perilously close to the 536f acrolein generation threshold. Are you saying that DNA boards are able to calculate unquantifiable things like the 'wetness' of a wick? - or do they base settings on the known ignition point of cotton?
No: a proper build and a reasonable temperature setting doesn't singe the wick, however dry it is. If yours does, you're doing it wrong. Mine never do.
The DNA40 doesn't know how wet a wick is, but it knows indirectly, because a wet wick limits the coil's temperature. When the coil overheats, the wick is too dry for the required power setting, and the board lowers the power as a result.
But really, I don't *care* how wet the wick is. All I care about is whether the juice is overheated.
Strictly speaking, the DNA40 doesn't *guarantee* that the juice won't overheat: it guarantees that the average temperature of the coil stays under the temperature setting you've entered. If your coil has hot legs, only heats up in the middle, or your wick isn't installed properly, it most certainly *can* overheat the juice. But if you build properly and you know what you're doing, it won't.
Incidentally, knowing how to build properly for the DNA40 involves knowing how the DNA40 works - which we do, because Evolv have gone to great lengths to explain how it works. Even if I was absolutely convinced that the Asolo works at least as well as a DNA40 (and I'm not), I still wouldn't know how to build properly to get the best out of the technology.
But we are just indulging in semantics here - no mod is 'temperature controlled' in the true sense. There are no thermostats to measure heat, simply a rather crude method of resistive control based (currently) on the known properties of nickel wire.
It was claimed that this could not be done with kanthal, but iJoy have most certainly produced *something* that effectively controls/limits temperature with a kanthal coil.
No-one iis quite certain how it works - and the last thing I would expect is for iJoy to be publishing details at this stage. The fact remains, however, is that a serious and extremely knowledgeable reviewer has given his preliminary opinion that the iJoy technology *does* work.
Is it perfected?, almost certainly not. Will they produce a finished device that does meet all expectations? - almost certainly yes.
All we know for certain is that the iJoy system prevents the ignition of dry cotton, which otherwise bursts into flames when the iJoy control is not used.
Just like other systems, in fact - but this time regulating kanthol wire.
I'm genuinely surprised at the hostility this development has engendered - one might reasonably have assumed that every vaper would be delighted with the imminent prospect of a system that was not wholly reliant on specialist wires and builds.
Instead, a baying pack has developed, seemingly determined to denigrate the iJoy system - why?, have iJoy cheated you all?, sold you a faulty product?, taken your money and supplied you with a malfunctioning Beta mod?.....or is it that you have backed yourselves into a corner, and lack the good grace to admit you were wrong about iJoy's ability to produce such a device?
It works, we've seen it work - so why deride them from the sidelines, instead of wishing them well in the further refinement of a product that will be of huge benefit to us all?
Such nit-picking! - continually scouring around, trying to find *any* pebble to throw!
I mean, come on!, what is all this spurious nonsense about an alleged fear of acrolein? - are you seriously saying that DNA TC mods cannot produce that particular aldehyde as easily as any other device??? - lol!, they even boast a temperature range that, if used, is virtually guaranteed to do so!
You will doubtless say, 'used properly, a DNA powered device is safe', and you might well be correct.
I would respond by saying that the same premise is equally true with the iJoy system - but with the benefit of using kanthal wire.
We have seen it working, let's now give them support and encouragement to perfect it.
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well we finally found someone with all the answers... hey, can you explain what and how it works?
ive been asking them if I can buy one with the offer they made so that I can test it ... still cant get a response or answer.
But maybe you can help us out instead of joining the forum with the explicit purpose of telling us what bad people we are for asking her questions.
I didn't realize that women from asia that are paid to represent a company and offer to sell it us were not supposed to field questions about the product.... woops silly me.
ive been asking them if I can buy one with the offer they made so that I can test it ... still cant get a response or answer.
But maybe you can help us out instead of joining the forum with the explicit purpose of telling us what bad people we are for asking her questions.
I didn't realize that women from asia that are paid to represent a company and offer to sell it us were not supposed to field questions about the product.... woops silly me.
Not impressed? - no problem, don't buy one.....
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Sorry, you misunderstand me. I didn't join to tell you you were 'a bad person for asking questions'
I joined to advise you that you are a fucking arsehole, and a keyboard bully to boot.
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Terms of endearment.
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bahahaha you are funny as well!!!
well, what exactly is your association with ijoy?
curious to see why you have such a vested interest in the success of a mod
a little point for you::: to get experience vapors to buy your hardware, answering simple questions of its functionality is a pretty basic concept. If you want to compare yourself to evolv, follow their lead and lay out the what's it does and how like they did.
just to let you know I passed "arsehole" a few years ago. I am now a full fledged douchbag
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I've watched the first look.
My first thought, his into reminds me of Harry Potter, great for the asholo. Lol.
In all seriousness. This mod is not temperature control/limit. It's dry hit prevention. Case closed.
And no that IS NOT what temperature control is all about. The dry cotton test was a means of proving it does limit temperature, not that that's what temperature control was designed for. Right now I have a temp control device set at 520°F. This will burn cotton.
Temperature control is about maintaining a specific temperature to give you what you consider a CONSISTENT GREAT TASTE, based on your preference.
This mod doesn't do that it stops working to avoid a dry hit. Not maintain a consistent temperature.
This is dry hit prevention. Not temp control.
There is a difference. If you believe this is why people are into temp control and what it's about then here you go, mods for you. Dry hit prevention isn't why tc came about. It just so happens it can also prevent a dry hit at a low enough temp. But if temp control was just avoiding a dry hit it wouldn't go up to 600°F
My first thought, his into reminds me of Harry Potter, great for the asholo. Lol.
In all seriousness. This mod is not temperature control/limit. It's dry hit prevention. Case closed.
And no that IS NOT what temperature control is all about. The dry cotton test was a means of proving it does limit temperature, not that that's what temperature control was designed for. Right now I have a temp control device set at 520°F. This will burn cotton.
Temperature control is about maintaining a specific temperature to give you what you consider a CONSISTENT GREAT TASTE, based on your preference.
This mod doesn't do that it stops working to avoid a dry hit. Not maintain a consistent temperature.
This is dry hit prevention. Not temp control.
There is a difference. If you believe this is why people are into temp control and what it's about then here you go, mods for you. Dry hit prevention isn't why tc came about. It just so happens it can also prevent a dry hit at a low enough temp. But if temp control was just avoiding a dry hit it wouldn't go up to 600°F
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Get the fuck off you're high horse. You complain about people being rude and assholes but yet in your next sentence you call someone an idiot.
Ass cancer.
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Pretty sure homie works for Ijoy.
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You're doing your job. I respect that. We're doing ours as educated consumers. Some comments were over the line, and I applaud you for not being offended.
i am not complaining about his word. i am simply talking what i was thinking.
i am enjoy talking with all of you. keep on vaping.
Very valid and interesting points.
So did you come here to insult members for sport? Members here not PC enough?
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I've maintained my cool throughout this thread, attempting not to offend anyone. But, those series of comments really bothered me. How can you call someone out for being a "keyboard bully" then call someone an idiot. I wouldn't have said anything if he just came in and called someone an idiot. But to act like you're better than someone and then do the exact thing you complain about is absurd
Nice job of explaining but it appears that the Cloud guy isn't open to logic.
The entire problem at this point appears to be semantics. Asolo would like to redefine the term "temp control"
If we accept their version, that means that every adjustable mod ever produced is capable of temp control. You simply set it at a level below which a dry wick will burn.
But Yihi and Evolve have a chip that can automatically vary the output in realtime and I have seen absolutely nothing to suggest that Asolo is capable of doing the same.
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right? i'll admit, some of what was said was in good fun and hindsight being 20/20 wouldn't be acceptable in mixed company, but blatantly returning ill mannered dialogue with name calling just says who they really are.
- I was on ecf and heard worse. lmao
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Well educated consumers will nullify the attempt to redefine temperature control. This I'm sure of. But, this adds confusion to vapers not in the know. I realize ijoy will not change and call this for what it is. But you will NEVER see me recommend this as a TC device. Want to prevent dry hits only, sure this may be your mod, or a revised version of it anyway. The fact you need to use 29 gauge kanthal to prevent a dry hit would be a deal breaker if that's what I was looking for. Marketed as dry hit prevention and ability to use a lower gauge wire would actually probably appeal to some
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Hell, if he came in here and just directed remarks at me, calling me an asshole (OMG my phone autocorrects that to assholo), or douche, whatever the case I wouldn't have even been bothered.
Did I miss that part about the 29 Gauge Kanthal? You have to use that specific gauge wire to prevent dry hits with the Asolo mod?
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Yes, it was stated earlier in this thread. What dirty nails was referring to in his video. The kanthal needs to be 29 gauge (more specifically 28 1/2 gauge, good luck finding that!) or higher and at least 0.5ohms. Which is roughly 2 1/2 wraps with a 2.5mm ID.
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Specific size was 0.3mm or higher
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ehhh I get what you're saying, 'say what you want to me, but leave my peoples alone'
I do think though, I'm gonna have to rename my tablet to 'douchbox"
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then it does that hinky percent thing.... sounds like its basically trying to use a calculation for maybe the "density" of the metal and how it would react rather than anything else.
That is an absolute deal breaker then. Limiting the diameter of the resistance wire to one specific gauge in order to make the anti-dry hit programing work is just lazy and uninspired engineering.
I'd say Asolo really limited their potential market with that type of engineering. The price point is also quite high at $90. Quite a few vapers would pay that price if the mod actually controlled temperature with Kanthal, not just one gauge, but from 36 down to 20.
Perhaps YiHi can take the ball and run with it now.
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Not even that really.. I do like some of you guys but if he just didn't pretend to be on a high horse prior to calling someone an idiot.
And I think most in this thread can stick up for themselves.
I personally take names like asshole and dick as compliments, lol. I'd be a millionaire if I had a nickel for every time someone called me something like that.
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Honestly, for $45 I'd buy one if dry hit prevention worked with any gauge. The mod is nice and small for a dual 18650. And dry hit prevention may be nifty for some things. But $90 is too high for it. Seriously. At that point I'm getting a snow wolf.
This thread just keeps getting funnier each time I pop in. The perpetually outraged will manufacture reasons to be butthurt if none exist. Water off a duck's back. If they don't engender my respect, they earn my indifference.
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lmao!!! I just ordered a hexohm, in the meantime I'm gonna wait and see what the dna200 looks like and get that or a dual sx305j mod.
if this really does 200w and doesn't have a ramp up time I can see it for the right price.
All of 10 posts on this here board and you're already antagonizing everybody @Clouds_of_Glory? Thank goodness for the ignore feature...
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I don't think anyone is "butthurt". I think we have answers now. Which is nice. If you're referring to me and that clouds dude. I promise, I won't be losing any sleep
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Its the aliens fault, he can't help it.
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I think my next mod needs to be truly revolutionary. Just upping wattage isn't going to do it, dry hot prevention isn't going to do it. I'm in a pretty good place as far as my mods and what I like. If this was truly kanthal temperature control (without the limitations), would have been all over it. But I think I'm in my vaping happy place. Who knows in a few months we could see the next big thing that actually works and I'll change my mind
20 pages later my questions finally were answered. I think I should win something for knowing that there was going to be this requirement. @gracechen you should give me one for free.
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I was thinking you were against my thoughts on the situation with his comments. Ass cancer may have been a little mean, but who am I to go against what my brain says