iJOY Asolo 200W, A mod taste control all wires includes kanthal/stainless steel

[f1r3b1rd]

One question ... how do you control the temperature when you can't set it?

Again--not knocking the mod at all!!! It looks like a great mod, but I'm just a huge fan of honesty and calling it what it is,

 

[Maverik_X]

One question ... how do you control the temperature when you can't set it?

mind control

 

[st0nedpenguin]

Taste control.

Or as in the case of this thread, low expectation control.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

mind control

 

[Robert B]

Ok... for all of those who say it doesn't temp control I challenge you to strap a thermocouple or thermistor to a Kanthal coil and see what you get. Is it doing it via resistance... no. As stated, it employs different methodology. Have I seen this first hand... no. I do believe it is possible to technically control the temperature of the coil as could be evidenced as stated by utilizing the above assessment. Time and testing will prove the full capability of the mod. Thank you Mav for showing us it isn't completely mythological, they do exist though be it in limited quantity right now. I'm not an iJoy or Asolo fan boy... although I am an electronic engineer!

I am nearly I'll from all of the manure being spewed. Enough already. People are going way overboard! Get a frickin' grip!!!

So, being an electronic engineer, what is going on here in your opinion? One can read the manual to see how it operates, but I haven't heard a single person explain how it works. Unless I missed something in these 1900+ posts.

 

[MarkS]

So, being an electronic engineer, what is going on here in your opinion? One can read the manual to see how it operates, but I haven't heard a single person explain how it works. Unless I missed something in these 1900+ posts.

I was wanting to find out and volunteered to provide recommendations to iJoy if they would provide the mod and schematics. I would willingly sign a nondisclosure agreement but my offer was not taken up by Grace. I have some ideas/theories on how it could be done but I don't have the time or money (mainly time) to investigate and test them by doing R&D to develop my own prototype. I also am not willing to lay out that kind of money to preorder a mod that is a first effort of a company toward "temperature control" with electronics/chip from an unnamed manufacture. I was enough of a beta tester with the iPV 4 and iPV 3 Li by being on the preorder. At least with that company the mods were not first efforts and chips/boards were from Yihi... not to mention they were way less monitarily.

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[f1r3b1rd]

We know how it works from the video
It sees the jump on resistance with Kanthal and cuts out,
That's why its not temp control. you do not set a temp.

 

[MarkS]

One question ... how do you control the temperature when you can't set it?

Again--not knocking the mod at all!!! It looks like a great mod, but I'm just a huge fan of honesty and calling it what it is,

As I stated earlier... the "temperature" of Kanthal would have to be controlled by another way other than what has traditionally been done. You do set it but not by entering a "temperature". As I illuded, all it would take is having the mod and setting the "taste control" and measuring the relative temperature of the Kanthal coil... it will control the temperature and you would be able to see it with instrumentation. I think Mav showed that to a degree (no pun intended) with his video. So, let's open the discussion on what people's perception/definition of temperature control is. I think that is where the constranation lies (again, no pun intended... sorta). Many have a paradime on temperature control.

For the record, I'm with you on the honesty thing. The song and dance provided by the company was nearly as sickening as the rants.

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[f1r3b1rd]

I think you're over complicating TC... really Temp limiting...
I as well as most people that use temp limiting know where they like the temperature set, for me its 520° --on all my temp control mods--
That's the beauty of a standardized system of measurement and accurate tools. I can set my DNA mods and yihi mods to the same thing and get a similar vape.

If this is some new way of doing it fine, but there is no way to set the measurements

 

[MarkS]

I think you're over complicating TC... really Temp limiting...
I as well as most people that use temp limiting know where they like the temperature set, for me its 520° --on all my temp control mods--
That's the beauty of a standardized system of measurement and accurate tools. I can set my DNA mods and yihi mods to the same thing and get a similar vape.

If this is some new way of doing it fine, but there is no way to set the measurements

Agreed, that is a convenient and consistent way to do it. But is it an adopted standard? I think it is a deface standard due to that's how it's been done up to this point. Kanthal throws a curveball in that it's properties are different than the basis of how TC was done to this point.

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[f1r3b1rd]

Agreed, that is a convenient and consistent way to do it. But is it an adopted standard?

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Fahrenheit and Celsius?,.. even Kelvin?

 

[MarkS]

Fahrenheit and Celsius?,.. even Kelvin?

Read it as you wish with measurement instrumentation. So, how close is evolve, yihi, et. al. With their stated set temperature and actually measured tempetature (with properly calibrated instrumentation)?

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[f1r3b1rd]

Read it as you wish with measurement instrumentation. So, how close is evolve, yihi, et. al. With their stated set temperature and actually measured tempetature?

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Not trying to be a douchebag here but from one EE to another, the average vapor including ,myself just wants to set the mod and roll...
This is not that; again, if you can't set its lmit it can't know and if you don't know what your setting the limit at you're not setting one.
How many average vapors know what a thermistor is moreless has one to set their mod,

 

[MarkS]

Not trying to be a douchebag here but from one EE to another, the average vapor including ,myself just wants to set the mod and roll...
This is not that again, if you can't set its lmit it can't know and if you don't know what your setting the limit at you're not setting one.
How many average vapors know what a thermistor is moreless has one to set their mod,

Point taken. I don't know about you but I have to fine tune my TC even after setting the initial resistance and control temp. It's not the same with different coils. Don't you experience that?

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[st0nedpenguin]

Everyone is over complicating what this device is most likely doing.

It doesn't need to actually control or even monitor temperature with kanthal, all it needs to do to achieve the results shown so far is pay attention to a resistance change in kanthal then cut the power.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

Point taken. I don't know about you but I have to fine tune my TC even after setting the initial resistance and control temp. It's not the same with different coils. Don't you experience that?

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I do at times when I go from 70° inside to 98° outside ambient temperature but I have the numbers to work with. That was my point when I said ' a standardized system of measurement.'
It is what it is, like I said, according to maverik its a good mod, and I'm not trying to take that away from it, no one ever was. Its the simple fact that companies are often trying to take advantage of a young market with a lot of buyers eager for the latest tech; so, they initially tried calling this one thing; when, the reality is the mod does not fit that definition.
BUT, the mod does offer a unique feature that is done in a rather uniquely simple way --it sees the jump in Rt and cuts out-simple and effective. There is nothing wrong with that; quite the contrary. In fact, had they just called It what it was, I would probably buy one.

 

[MarkS]

Agreed! Thanks guys for a great conversation. I need to get to bed as I have to get up in about 5 hours. I really enjoyed it.

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[gracechen]

One question ... how do you control the temperature when you can't set it?

Again--not knocking the mod at all!!! It looks like a great mod, but I'm just a huge fan of honesty and calling it what it is,

final version have temp control, already ship out to 7 famous reviewers do the video for 2days, it should reach them at the weekend, hope next week, i can offer the final version test video for you.

thank you so much for all the support.

 

[Maverik_X]

final version have temp control, already ship out to 7 famous reviewers do the video for 2days, it should reach them at the weekend, hope next week, i can offer the final version test video for you.

thank you so much for all the support.

Thanks Grace is Phil Busardo one of them?

 

[Joshua Iles]

I think Mike vapes has one and I saw a little blurb from dslbvapes or something or other. He basically showed in his video it wouldn't fire on kanthal if the wick was dry. It was really short n sweet, but it seemed to do okay at that.

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[CurlyxCracker]

That's awesome that it actually does what she said it would do.
See that guys?
38 pages and 2 months later...
She wasn't bullshitin!

I'm going to have to disagree. Dry hit prevention wasn't what was marketed. I am happy to see the restrictions stated earlier are not true,regarding wire gauge

 

[dre]

I think Mike vapes has one and I saw a little blurb from dslbvapes or something or other. He basically showed in his video it wouldn't fire on kanthal if the wick was dry. It was really short n sweet, but it seemed to do okay at that.

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Mike vapes should not be one of them he's technology retarded

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[CurlyxCracker]

"It doesn't even temp control kanthal by their own definition"

No ?
But it seems to pass YOUR definition !

I have explained, multiple times if TC was all about dry hit prevention it wouldn't supply 600°F. The cotton test was just to show it was limiting temperature.

 

[Mattp169]

To everyone saying it does not regulate Temp, do you understand that you must FIRST take a draw on the kanthal build. You are suppose to draw until it hits the Temp or Taste you like then stop. Then push the button for TC mode. Then it remembers what ever the hell its measuring from the draw and uses that as the limit?

I agree its not doing it the same way we are used to. I agree its not measurable. I do not understand why the hell you would go this way versus just setting a temp or something like we do on Ni or Ti coils. But you can set your temp on Kanthal by FEEL I guess is the best way to describe it.

I am not sure if that is something the entire market will want. Its clear thats not exactly what many people on this thread want. I say I can see some advantage to that. Its a step forward, its different.

I would say this
If I could buy a $30 mod that only did this kanthal TC and no other TC, I would probably give that mod a shot, just to see if that makes my vape experience better. If this asolo was only say $80 I might be inclined to try it, if I saw some reviews showing that the Ti and Ni200 modes worked as well as a yihi board.

im not defending grace or ijoys way of communicating and their ridiculous give away. Im just trying to point out IMHO it does what it says. It does not do kanthal the same way as Ni200 and Ti that we are used to, but that was said at the beginning. I am curious as how it does what it does on kanthal, why it does not actually use degrees and instead you have to go by"feel",,is there just serious communication issues here from the company, are they reputable (ie. will they stand behind the products if they fail), and once someone reverse engineers this board what they will do to improve upon this kanthal mode

 

[f1r3b1rd]

To everyone saying it does not regulate Temp, do you understand that you must FIRST take a draw on the kanthal build. You are suppose to draw until it hits the Temp or Taste you like then stop. Then push the button for TC mode. Then it remembers what ever the hell its measuring from the draw and uses that as the limit?

I agree its not measurable

You can't limit what you can't measure.

 

[Joshua Iles]

Mike vapes should not be one of them he's technology retarded

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Yeah but he kinda admits that in his reviews on tc stuff. I only say that he has one cuz he had a PIC of one on his Facebook. For the average person I think he's a great one to talk about something like this for someone who doesn't understand what tc really means. If indoorsmokers got one his explanation would sound something like "fucking awesome", and that would be about it.

 

[Mattp169]

You can't limit what you can't measure.

Just because we the user cant measure it, doesn't mean the board isnt measuring it and for it to do anything like maverick's video showed, it must be measuring something.

I feel it is measuring it we just don't know how, and how that relates to the measurement we are familiar with (degrees) And because of that we have a lesser degree of control versus the traditional TC of Ni200 and Ti.

So while I am not as comfortable with the way ijoy chose to go with this, they did do something, and this is may only be the beginning. Someone else, hell even ijoy may eventually take another step to doing TC with Kanthal, and someone else may take another step and another one. And eventually there may be devices available that may do Kanthal TC in a way that is totally different then what we are use dto but find accpetable by the masses, or maybe it will be doing it with degrees like we are accustomed.

 

[Joshua Iles]

Rumors and more rumors but I hear talk innokin has something kanthal tc related in the works, who knows.

 

[dre]

I hear if you use Jesus pubs on your coils it will automatically give you a vape with the grace of God never a dry hit

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[dre]

Yeah but he kinda admits that in his reviews on tc stuff. I only say that he has one cuz he had a PIC of one on his Facebook. For the average person I think he's a great one to talk about something like this for someone who doesn't understand what tc really means. If indoorsmokers got one his explanation would sound something like "fucking awesome", and that would be about it.

But how he says things would put people off the product even thought it might be a great mod. I ipv d2 comes to mind I bet many people didn't get it because Mike vapes says the ohms wonder and they should be locked. Any person with knowledge would know that you do lock it in and its just showing your the live resistance.

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[f1r3b1rd]

Just because we the user cant measure it, doesn't mean the board isnt measuring it and for it to do anything like maverick's video showed, it must be measuring something.

I feel it is measuring it we just don't know how, and how that relates to the measurement we are familiar with (degrees) And because of that we have a lesser degree of control versus the traditional TC of Ni200 and Ti.

So while I am not as comfortable with the way ijoy chose to go with this, they did do something, and this is may only be the beginning. Someone else, hell even ijoy may eventually take another step to doing TC with Kanthal, and someone else may take another step and another one. And eventually there may be devices available that may do Kanthal TC in a way that is totally different then what we are use dto but find accpetable by the masses, or maybe it will be doing it with degrees like we are accustomed.

You said the board wasn't measuring it.

The board is measuring the change in resistance to kanthal. But as of now that change can't be used to calculate temp. So the mod stops firing when it measures a change.

 

[MarkS]

You can't limit what you can't measure.

LOL... right on man... but the mod is measuring and controlling... just providing a UI that's different and differing methods.

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[MarkS]

Yeah but he kinda admits that in his reviews on tc stuff. I only say that he has one cuz he had a PIC of one on his Facebook. For the average person I think he's a great one to talk about something like this for someone who doesn't understand what tc really means. If indoorsmokers got one his explanation would sound something like "fucking awesome", and that would be about it.

Followed by sick as tits.

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[MarkS]

You said the board wasn't measuring it.

The board is measuring the change in resistance to kanthal. But as of now that change can't be used to calculate temp. So the mod stops firing when it measures a change.

Is it... I honestly don't know if that's it. It's definately an observed correlation.

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[f1r3b1rd]

LOL... right on man... but the mod is measuring and controlling... just providing a UI that's different and differing methods.

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[Dragger]

Rumors and more rumors but I hear talk innokin has something kanthal tc related in the works, who knows.

An Innokin rep posted this morning on reddit that some prototype Kanthal TC Disruptors were being shown at ECC. Innokin is looking for feedback before they lock in the features and production will be in the future.

The good news and bad news: Good - the tank is proprietary and contains a thermocouple or other temp sensing device. It is NOT a 510 thread, which many people beleive is no longer sufficient. IMO, this is the right way to control temp. The rep stated that the unit does not use PWM but can control on a flat line. Also, he said that from early in the development, an RBA was considered mandatory and is well along in development.

Bad: Though the rep mentioned later that Innokin was looking into an adapter that would allow 510 devices to be used (obviously on power and not TC) it appears this is not a priority and is early in the development. I have no problems with moving to a better thread system, as long as it becomes a standard as the 510 did. There is not much detail about how much Innokin is going to work with the manufacturers, if they are going to require a license, and if the license fee will be one that makes business sense for the atomizer company. Of course it will be cloned, but I'd much rather see the known names making stuff for it.

 

[st0nedpenguin]

An Innokin rep posted this morning on reddit that some prototype Kanthal TC Disruptors were being shown at ECC. Innokin is looking for feedback before they lock in the features and production will be in the future.

The good news and bad news: Good - the tank is proprietary and contains a thermocouple or other temp sensing device. It is NOT a 510 thread, which many people beleive is no longer sufficient. IMO, this is the right way to control temp. The rep stated that the unit does not use PWM but can control on a flat line. Also, he said that from early in the development, an RBA was considered mandatory and is well along in development.

Bad: Though the rep mentioned later that Innokin was looking into an adapter that would allow 510 devices to be used (obviously on power and not TC) it appears this is not a priority and is early in the development. I have no problems with moving to a better thread system, as long as it becomes a standard as the 510 did. There is not much detail about how much Innokin is going to work with the manufacturers, if they are going to require a license, and if the license fee will be one that makes business sense for the atomizer company. Of course it will be cloned, but I'd much rather see the known names making stuff for it.

It's a great idea if they do try and make it a standard, but I remember Zen even going so far as to open source the connector for the Z2 and that went literally nowhere.

 

[Dragger]

It's a great idea if they do try and make it a standard, but I remember Zen even going so far as to open source the connector for the Z2 and that went literally nowhere.

It's going to be interesting to watch. Both the Provari and Zen connectors had some advantages but evidently not enough for getting widely adopted. Since the 510 only has a positive/negative connection, something with more capacity could really drive innovation as the vape industry continues to mature. Who knows what the engineers could come up with once they have control channel(s) between the tank and chip.

Of course, that's assuming that the license cost is insignificant or at least affordable. For a lot of reasons, the ball is definitely in Innokin's court.

I just hope we don't get another Betamax/VHS, Plasma/LCD, or Blu-ray/??? knife fight again.

(Couldn't even remember the Blu-ray competitor and it's only been a short time since they pulled the plug)

edit: Same Innokin rep just announced that the system will not be licensed or fee-based. When they finalize the specs, the info will be available to all.

 

[raymo2u]

Should make a connection similar to the Disruptors 2 plug...Could make some incredible looking things with a simple plug design like that and have it function perfectly. Would make bottom feeders exclusive/difficult for simple DIY but could be done. No more screwing, just plug and play and less wear/no cross threading. Plus have more surface area for current.

 

[IML8]

One side insisting on a pedantic definition of "control" and the other insisting on a more contextual and colloquial definition. Each knowing exactly what the other actually means, they just keep talking past one another for no apparent reason and failing to make a compelling case. It's entertaining, in an Abbot and Costello "Who's on first" sort of way, though. Carry on.

 

[Robert B]

High temp outputs off, low temp outputs on

 

[Robert B]

There is not much detail about how much Innokin is going to work with the manufacturers, if they are going to require a license, and if the license fee will be one that makes business sense for the atomizer company. Of course it will be cloned, but I'd much rather see the known names making stuff for it.

They also announced it would be an open system and not require a license to build an atomizer. As far as the mod electronics go, all bets are off.

 

[jamey554]

Well its not really temp controlling the wire, now there is pulseing mods, it will pulse, my smow wolf does it at anything above 149 watts its allowing the juice to move from the cotton to the coils without burnning the cotton, but if ur cotton goes dry the it will fry the cotton not a good tast

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[Maverik_X]

 

[f1r3b1rd]

 

[Maverik_X]

when did this follow up video get released its great!

 

[f1r3b1rd]

when did this follow up video get released its great!

Today, sadly the assholio thread was my first thought when I saw it.

 

[IML8]

Today, sadly the assholio thread was my first thought when I saw it.

I didn't mean to kill the thread. I liked it. Let's see if I can breathe some life back into it and make my position more clear at the same time.

Yeah, I get that anytime you are limiting or manipulating something you are technically exerting some kind of control over it, but that is only tangentially relevant. The real issue is whether Chen (and by extension iJoy) was being intentionally disingenuous or is just ignorant of her "western" target audience, the majority of which, I think is reasonably obvious, generally comes down on the side of the contextual and more colloquial sense of "control" as it has come to be known and accepted in the vaping community with regard to temperature control today; not sometime in the future if or when some new approach becomes commonplace.

The way I see it, there are only the two possibilities. She is either dishonest or she is ignorant. There are many legitimate reasons she could be ignorant that are neither insulting of her intellect nor of her personal integrity, but ascribing any particular cause would be pure speculation. Regardless of who is at fault, Chen or her superiors, that the entire endeavor has been spectacularly mishandled is beyond question.

Now, go ahead and rip me a new one for lynching or assaulting women or whatever unqualified nonsensical white knightery was spewed upstream previously. Or, conversely, we could just go ahead and let this dead horse rest in peace, but I would rather not.

 

[Robert B]

According to her FB page, Ms Chen when to Florida International University (miami). She's lacking translation skills, but is certainly not "ignorant".

 

[fq06]

OMG! That shit is so funny I stopped it half way through to save the rest for later today.