My answer to a rhetorical question is always no. Hypotheticaly..
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iJOY Asolo 200W, A mod taste control all wires includes kanthal/stainless steel
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Your command of the language is impressive. English not being my first language, I will yield to your superiour intellect and knowledge of the language.
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Happy?
Thank You I think.
As Alan Moore wrote:" Words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enuciation of truth."
As Alan Moore wrote:" Words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enuciation of truth."
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I'm a sceptic, and I didn't pick any fights. I just fkn can't stand xenophobic ignorant bullies, although you RubberGopher seem to identify with them.
Did you mean remarks like these? And these were just from one member here.
I won't believe this device works with Kanthal as a combined heating/sensing
element until I see a video - and then Iwon't believe it anyway
Not a skeptical remark, a clearly biased ignorant one.
Look, some of us know electronics. There is no way in hell you can read the temperature of a kanthal wire with any degree of reliability by measuring the change of resistance in the uncontrolled conditions of a consumer electronics product.
But I'd love to eat my words and be proven wrong...
Please DON'T send me one for review - I have better things to waste my time on
But, you heard him, he'd "love to eat me words and be proven wrong"
What's going on Gracechen? Superduper kanthal temp sensing technology not working
so well after all, and you need foreign talents to make it work, perhaps?
@gracechen: thanks a buncharoony: I was so hot for you and your product, now I'm totally flaccid.
One of his statements is true, I'll give him that.
I have a shiny 124.15 yuan bill here that says it won't be anything more than more marketing rah-rah
And his word is worth what?
if she really was that confident that the product is great, she'd have sent it for review for free to the biggest doubters among us: they'd have "seen the light" and changed their opinion spectacularly and publicly. Naysayers who get convinced otherwise are usually the best advertisement for any product.
You still want more?
Well, they needed a reviewer who could be bought, or at least briefed on what to say and what not to say, and who would play ball. I don't think any of us here qualifies
I think Mav was a gentleman actually...
you don't even need to get that one to check: it's totally obvious it doesn't do what it claims.
That's the problem with Gracechen and her stupid company: if they actually said what their goddamn mod does exactly, people could make an informed decision on whether to spend their hard-earned dollars on it.
Instead, they claim it does temperature control (which it doesn't), and you can bet your sweet ass someone somewhere will try to vape their wick dry to change flavor,
bet you anything the Asolo and its half-assed TC thing doesn't prevent juice overheating at all - unless Gracechen proves me otherwise, and she won't, because she can't.
The language barrier is a convenient excusesometimes...
I have no doubt Gracechen understood the question perfectly
Grace's English is so good, they picked such an unfortunate name...
. What you said just goes to show that science education in America doesn't work anymore.
Most of the posts in this here thread show an appalling ignorance of basic scientific concepts. Yet ignorant posters keep flapping their trap
(Italics added for ironic emphasis).
Giraut
There once was a poster named Giraut
Whose brain was made of soft dough.
The words that he spewed, were hurtful and rude,
just shows how low some guys will go.
Please for the sake of all that is holy, find the quote button, and figure out how to use it.
I'll try, somtimes it appears when I hover over highlighted text and somtimes it dosn't.
Funny how Some here seem to be upset with those that pointed out that those that were being Militant Skeptical should maybe give the device a chance.
Why is it we were wrong to say Wait and judge the device after release ?
That maybe... just maybe it may work differently than they were taught to view Temp control.
This makes us Trolls, shit-stirrers ?
Now that we have seen the device work, and be demonstrated by a trusted member...
All they got to say is.... "Sure wish you guys would shut up about this."
37 pages of criticism.... most posting multiple times a page to make fun of a device they had not seen, nor understood.
Now its all crickets ! Wonder why ?
Yes, because crow is VERY hard to swallow !!!
Face it......
The device appears to work..... get over your bruised ego's and let it go !
Buy one, dont buy one..... really does not matter to me.
But dont tell me Im the problem here !
Why is it we were wrong to say Wait and judge the device after release ?
That maybe... just maybe it may work differently than they were taught to view Temp control.
This makes us Trolls, shit-stirrers ?
Now that we have seen the device work, and be demonstrated by a trusted member...
All they got to say is.... "Sure wish you guys would shut up about this."
37 pages of criticism.... most posting multiple times a page to make fun of a device they had not seen, nor understood.
Now its all crickets ! Wonder why ?
Yes, because crow is VERY hard to swallow !!!
Face it......
The device appears to work..... get over your bruised ego's and let it go !
Buy one, dont buy one..... really does not matter to me.
But dont tell me Im the problem here !
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I don't think any of us ever really doubted that it would do *something* in Kanthal mode, but rather questioned how well it would do that something, or what that something really was. I'll admit, it appears to do better than the first Smok? TC boxes did.
I'm also happy to see they sent an Asolo to someone in the thread, and Maverick did a good job of reviewing it.
Where I still feel justified in questioning the motives behind those who attacked the naysayers, is their delivery-- the naysayers questioned the mod, and the company behind it. Period. Those who attacked the naysayers, did just that- insulted and tore into the character of the naysayers. In other words: one group criticized an inanimate object and the marketing fluff of a corporation, while the other group attacked real people- different things in my book!
At the end of the day, those who think it's a great product are free to show their support by buying one...the rest of us will show how we feel by spending our hard earned $ on products and with companies we believe in. Most importantly, we all can enjoy the Vape we want, and stay cigarette-free!
I'm also happy to see they sent an Asolo to someone in the thread, and Maverick did a good job of reviewing it.
Where I still feel justified in questioning the motives behind those who attacked the naysayers, is their delivery-- the naysayers questioned the mod, and the company behind it. Period. Those who attacked the naysayers, did just that- insulted and tore into the character of the naysayers. In other words: one group criticized an inanimate object and the marketing fluff of a corporation, while the other group attacked real people- different things in my book!
At the end of the day, those who think it's a great product are free to show their support by buying one...the rest of us will show how we feel by spending our hard earned $ on products and with companies we believe in. Most importantly, we all can enjoy the Vape we want, and stay cigarette-free!
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And it can be yours for the low introductory price of only..........................
US$999.00 !
Commenting to keep tabs on this. Seems like a cool idea, but who knows.
LOL!~!! I think with the pre-orders and coming soons , they all list as that on there.
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The IJOY Asolo is not for sale now, this is only an introduction page.
Also please donot refer to the price, which is not real. Thank you!
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Why would anyone be eating crow? It doesn't even temp control kanthal by their own definition of temp control.
]I don't think any of us ever really doubted that it would do *something* in Kanthal mode
Would you like a list of those who not only doubted but directly stated exactly that? Are you trying to rub more salt into their wounds?
Those who attacked the naysayers, did just that- insulted and tore into the character of the naysayers. In other words: one group criticized an inanimate object and the marketing fluff of a corporation, while the other group attacked real people- different things in my book![/quote]
You mean quoting their stupid hate mongering and exposing their ignorance using their own words ia an "attack"?
In other words: one group criticized an inanimate object and the marketing fluff of a corporation, while the other group attacked real people
So GraceChen is not a real person? or are you saying that she wasn't actually attacked, or that she deserved it because...'Merica!!
You are giving spin doctors a bad name. I was a skeptic. The haters were aholes. I guess we know what camp you set up your tent in.
The only suprise in this thread is how many sat in silent acceptance.
Even after reading your message a couple of times, I still have no idea if these are your thoughts or if it's a quote. Regardless, this pretty much sums up the entire thread to me.
Mav found that the device does something - for sure it changes a linear scale at the bottom of the window. I still haven't discovered what value that would have to me. In the short time TC has been around, every maker I am aware of has defined it as setting a vape temperature and maintaining it.
Now Asolo says they have a better way, but it doesn't involve actually controlling temperature. I never understood what "taste control" was really al about and I suspect the inadequate description was by design.
At the end, to me the mod is doing nothing other than any VV/VW device: it rises to the set point and bucks or boosts in an attempt to stay there. If I'm wrong, I am totally open to have someone explain to me (scientific terms are a huge plus) exactly what this thing does - and why I should care.
Finally, thanks to Maverick X for taking the time to make the video.
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Hate mongering? Jesus christ calm your tits.
You must be super fun at holiday time, do you string people up for farting at the dinner table?
You must be super fun at holiday time, do you string people up for farting at the dinner table?
Only when they fart out their mouth to make others uncomfortable. I beleive we are responsible for our words and actions in this life. Unless we are politicians, or cops...
You mean the mentally challenged? Sorry firebird. Their carers should monitor their internet use. Would you like a link to some great pics of Barney the Dino? that way your pumpkin won't hurt so much.
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Im just fine thank you for your concern; but, maybe you should quit talking about pistol whipping kids.
Everything was fine and we were discussing the mod till you decided to play troll again.
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Most of the posts in this thread were about the mod anyway until the knights rode in on their dazzling white ponies.
I am sincerely sorry. There is absoutly no excuse ever for posting a link to Barney pics. It won't happen again.;
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LOL!~!! I think with the pre-orders and coming soons , they all list as that on there.
Attention:
The IJOY Asolo is not for sale now, this is only an introduction page.
Also please donot refer to the price, which is not real. Thank you!
Miss Whiskey,
You know I am ignorant but I am not just plain STOOPID!
I realize it is an imaginary price for an almost imaginary mod!!!
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This is becoming a thread that is lost with shameful commentary and a distraction from the very topic most of us were interested in. I hope there will be more information on how this mod works and less of the run of the mill bullcrap being posted.
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Becoming?
This thread was lost from the very beginning.
This thread was lost from the very beginning.
I cant argue there but I would like it if it would be more like a professional look on what the topic is supposed to be
"It doesn't even temp control kanthal by their own definition"
No ?
But it seems to pass YOUR definition !
Starting with post #7 in the thread...
You have been repeating similar negative statements on almost every page. It really makes a person wonder if that continued participation resulted in one of the few factual statements you have made:
You have been repeating similar negative statements on almost every page. It really makes a person wonder if that continued participation resulted in one of the few factual statements you have made:
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"It doesn't even temp control kanthal by their own definition"
No ?
But it seems to pass YOUR definition !
Why is it such a difficult concept for people to grasp?
The cotton burn test can be used to demonstrate working temp control, that doesn't mean that everything that passes a cotton burn test is actually using temp control. I have feet on my legs, that doesn't mean feet are legs. Dry hit prevention =/= temp control.
The fact that the Asolo operates with a user selectable temperature range with nickel and titanium but doesn't with kanthal makes it completely obvious that it's not temp controlling kanthal even by iJoy's definition.
Me stating that the Asolo isn't temp controlling kanthal was a factual statement too.
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I think we can all agree that it is limiting or regulating something. Had they never called it temp control then 90% of the 'gobbledygook ' and 'negativity ' would not be in this thread. Albeit the ni200 and TI is the same functional TC we are accustomed too; however in regards to Kanthal:
Maverick's video clearly shows a definitive line of regulation in regards to a dry hit, however, that line is not temp control, with regards to Kanthal or nichrome, there is no way to set it at a desired temperature; hence, temperature can not be controlled.
Is that a vocabulary argument? Or more of a subjugative one?
I don't see where setting 105% could equal 490° or 350° or 520° It does inarguably prevent a dry hit. that in it of itself would be a cool feature and great selling point, had the company not said it was something that its not.
That said I still dig the conceptualization of the mod. I also deplore the rollout and being led down a false path through intended misstatements. although I did eat a lot of tasty popcorn over the last 39 pages.
Maverick's video clearly shows a definitive line of regulation in regards to a dry hit, however, that line is not temp control, with regards to Kanthal or nichrome, there is no way to set it at a desired temperature; hence, temperature can not be controlled.
Is that a vocabulary argument? Or more of a subjugative one?
I don't see where setting 105% could equal 490° or 350° or 520° It does inarguably prevent a dry hit. that in it of itself would be a cool feature and great selling point, had the company not said it was something that its not.
That said I still dig the conceptualization of the mod. I also deplore the rollout and being led down a false path through intended misstatements. although I did eat a lot of tasty popcorn over the last 39 pages.
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Well then..... Whats it controlling to NOT make the cotton burn ?
Of course its temperature !
If the Temp rises, cotton Burns..... if Temp lowers, it does Not !
Its really just that simple.....
In your "Humble" opinion maybe, but yet you say it as fact !
Just because they provided you with a Temp setting you are accustomed to for nickle and Ti and not the same for kanthal, (BTW has not been done before w/ kanthal !), does NOT mean it does not control Temp.
It most OBVIOUSLY does, unless Mav is just pulling all our leg.
Now maybe you dont like the device, or Ms Chen, or the way it works......
But it seems to work, just not in the same way people are used to seeing it done with previous devices that utilize nickle/Ti to make them work.It
Its actually a good thing, whether you agree or not, it will promote other devices to figure out Temp Control for kanthal for use on their own products...
We All Win !
I just want to set a perfect temp on a device while using kanthal and never worry about a dry hit, if it can do this and throw around 120 watts Ill be a very happy customer
The things that stand out for this device are the size, dual 18650's, TC, power and simplicity. If they can refine the Kanthal TC then it would be an amazing device, could even compete with the DNA 200 craze, IF it could refine and add to the kanthal TC, the rest of the items are already done.
The things that stand out for this device are the size, dual 18650's, TC, power and simplicity. If they can refine the Kanthal TC then it would be an amazing device, could even compete with the DNA 200 craze, IF it could refine and add to the kanthal TC, the rest of the items are already done.
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Well then..... Whats it controlling to NOT make the cotton burn ?
Of course its temperature !
If the Temp rises, cotton Burns..... if Temp lowers, it does Not !
Its really just that simple.....
In your "Humble" opinion maybe, but yet you say it as fact !
Just because they provided you with a Temp setting you are accustomed to for nickle and Ti and not the same for kanthal, (BTW has not been done before w/ kanthal !), does NOT mean it does not control Temp.
It most OBVIOUSLY does, unless Mav is just pulling all our leg.
Now maybe you dont like the device, or Ms Chen, or the way it works......
But it seems to work, just not in the same way people are used to seeing it done with previous devices that utilize nickle/Ti to make them work.It
Its actually a good thing, whether you agree or not, it will promote other devices to figure out Temp Control for kanthal for use on their own products...
We All Win !
It's measuring the small resistance change of kanthal when heated and using it to provide dry hit protection. It's the dry wick detection system that gracechen started referring to once it was pointed out that it was unlikely the device was going to be able to temp control kanthal due to the incredibly low TCR. Yet another example of how many times the description of what this device does was changed even by the people trying to sell it. First it was temp control, then it was taste control, then dry wick detection, etc.
It's not temp control by any definition of the term, including their own. It's not maintaining a set temperature, you can't set a temperature, it's not monitoring temperature or even trying to monitor temperature. It's just cutting power when the resistance changes.
Of course this is all speculation because apart from dropping the bombshell that this device is the first to use an amazing new tech called PWM
, we have no actual info regarding how it's doing what it's doing.Once again for the hard of thinking, dry hit protection =/= temp control.
FFS
yes you can set the temp on kanthal. Maverick showed that. YOU have to hit the kanthal tank then enter TC mode which then the board reads whatever its reading on kanthal and limits that to whatever you just did when you took a drag. You can then use percentage to make it a little less or a little more. Its just a different way of doing it then using actual degrees. Which if you go back to page 1, thats what grace said it would do. If you want a totally different temp, then you have to leave TC mode take a hit and get the vape to that temp and re-enter TC mode.
SO no it dont work the same as traditional TC using Ni200 or Ti, but its similar. Which is exactly what Grace said on page 1.. they are doing it differently.
now can we stop all the bullshit about he said she said. Noone even cares any more. And by the way before anyone says "well if so and so stops..." let me tell ya something, it takes 2 to tango. Everyone is keeping up the BS. All this white knighting is not really white knighting. Its just keeping the circle of bullshit going and going and going and detracting from the actual product and making this forum look stupid IMHO. Put each other on ignore and dont post a damn photo showing that. I dont care who you ignore. Ignore me if ya want I dont care. Just STOP THE BS PLEASE
What happened to threads where we actually discussed things and had a good time?
yes you can set the temp on kanthal. Maverick showed that. YOU have to hit the kanthal tank then enter TC mode which then the board reads whatever its reading on kanthal and limits that to whatever you just did when you took a drag. You can then use percentage to make it a little less or a little more. Its just a different way of doing it then using actual degrees. Which if you go back to page 1, thats what grace said it would do. If you want a totally different temp, then you have to leave TC mode take a hit and get the vape to that temp and re-enter TC mode.
SO no it dont work the same as traditional TC using Ni200 or Ti, but its similar. Which is exactly what Grace said on page 1.. they are doing it differently.
now can we stop all the bullshit about he said she said. Noone even cares any more. And by the way before anyone says "well if so and so stops..." let me tell ya something, it takes 2 to tango. Everyone is keeping up the BS. All this white knighting is not really white knighting. Its just keeping the circle of bullshit going and going and going and detracting from the actual product and making this forum look stupid IMHO. Put each other on ignore and dont post a damn photo showing that. I dont care who you ignore. Ignore me if ya want I dont care. Just STOP THE BS PLEASE
What happened to threads where we actually discussed things and had a good time?
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If the device is capable of doing any kind of actual regulation with kanthal then why require such a massively convoluted system with absolutely no precision or control instead of just letting you select a temperature?
To refer back to page one though since you mentioned it:
How do I set the device to 230c on kanthal if I want the best taste?
I'm beginning to think some of the people in this thread are just REALLY easily pleased.
PS: We were discussing things and having a good time in here before the white knighting started, FYI.
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They almost had me at that price, but since batteries not included? Deal breaker for sure!
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Ok... for all of those who say it doesn't temp control I challenge you to strap a thermocouple or thermistor to a Kanthal coil and see what you get. Is it doing it via resistance... no. As stated, it employs different methodology. Have I seen this first hand... no. I do believe it is possible to technically control the temperature of the coil as could be evidenced as stated by utilizing the above assessment. Time and testing will prove the full capability of the mod. Thank you Mav for showing us it isn't completely mythological, they do exist though be it in limited quantity right now. I'm not an iJoy or Asolo fan boy... although I am an electronic engineer!
I am nearly I'll from all of the manure being spewed. Enough already. People are going way overboard! Get a frickin' grip!!!
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